I have never been to a zoo that was like this and I have been to zoos in
Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Omaha, Ohio, Minnesota, Tennessee, Georgia and
Florida.  Albeit that's not all zoo's but I have never heard or seen of a
zoo treating animals this way.  I highly doubt researches would take monkeys
from a zoo, too many unknows, any animal research I have seen done, the
animals have been bred specifically for that purpose.

I have seen pet store that resemble what you speak off and I have made sure,
as much as I don't like PETA, to alert them to these specific stores.  The
only reason I do that is because I care about the treatment of animals and I
know that PETA is crazy enough to do things that I wouldn't advocate.  I
always complain to the pet store management and make sure they know my
intentions.  I have been thrown out of more than 1 pet store in my time.

...Stepping of my soap box for now.

Kevin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??


> It really, really depends upon the zoo. Some meet all of your parameters.
> Many follow this model:
>
> well cared for = questionable
> fed = true
> tiny cages = true
> wounded for profit = questionable
>
> I've been to many, many zoos where the cages were so small that the
animals
> could barely turn around. They were licking up their own urine and eating
> their own feces. I have seen elephants and rhinos shackled to the floor
and
> poked with goads. And then there were the monkeys that were just biding
> their time until the local researchers needed another one for experiments.
>
> Are all zoos like this? No, but too many are.
>
> -Kevin Graeme
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@;hungrycow.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:27 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> >
> >
> > I disagree, in a zoo the animals are well cared for and they are
> > fed.  They
> > aren't put in tiny cages they can't stand up in and aren't intentionally
> > wounded for profit.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> >
> >
> > > Yeah it's bad.  And it's nothing different from a zoo either.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@;hungrycow.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:31 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's really sad.  I am very much against animal cruelty and
> > it makes me
> > > sick to see animals treated that way.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > >
> > >
> > > > SO that's where all the <A
> > > >
> > HREF="http://www.wspa-international.org/news/news-09.html";>BEAR BILE</a>
> > > > goes!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Davis [mailto:jim@;depressedpress.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: omg, VOMIT jellybeans??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I tried these.  I went to the JellyBelly warehouse that is
> > > > > near my house,
> > > > > and they give free samples within the store.  When the woman
> > > > > handed them
> > > > > to me, I assumed that they just had disgusting names, but
> > would taste
> > > > > fine.  I was WRONG!  I tried half a bite of the vomit one and
> > > > > spent the
> > > > > next 10 minutes trying to get the taste out of my mouth.
> > > > > After that, I
> > > > > couldn't bring myself to try the booger one, or any of the
> > > > > other flavors.
> > > > > =(
> > > >
> > > > But remember - there's some poor group deep inside the JellyBelly
> > > > factory that usually gets assignments like "make sure this tastes of
> > > > cherry".  For weeks they had to write reports on how close to
> > > > vomit-flavored test jelly beans had become...
> > > >
> > > > "Test Number 142, Batch number 6,405: Closest yet, although
> > it still has
> > > > a marked rotten apple aftertaste.  Suggest more digestive
> > acid and less
> > > > fructose.  Please kill me."
> > > >
> > > > I think that they earned there pensions right there.  And to
> > think, some
> > > > of them probbly complained when "pina colada" was being tested...
> > > >
> > > > Jim Davis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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