Actually in some areas of Canada, Nova Scotia at least, the bar owner can be held liable if the individual is not cut off prior to becoming overly intoxicated. Where the line is I cant/don't remember.
One of the things I was taught in mixology (the only class I passed my first go around in university) course was how to fool a problem drunk into thinking they were still being served. (You place your finger over the jigger, upend the bottle as if pouring and rim the glass with your finger). This was done to prevent problems at the bar with drunks. Duane -----Original Message----- From: Ben Braver [mailto:benbraver@;hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:19 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gun Company Must Pay Teacher's Widow Hey Jacob- I think the cases of guns and drunk drivers are different. In the case of using a gun, you are responsible for your actions (unless you're really drunk). But with drunk driving, your judgement, your reflexes, etc. are seriously impaired, often without you knowing it. You're not really "yourself", so how can you be held accountable in the same way as someone who does something soberly and deliberately? Maybe the equivalent of a "trigger lock" for a car is the breath analyzer built into the steering wheel. But watch the lawsuit the first time someone sober can't start their car in a crisis because the "drunk sensor" malfunctioned... Our society has some serious problems. -Ben >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacob) >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Gun Company Must Pay Teacher's Widow >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:48:04 -0800 > >So, if my wife is killed in a drunk driving accident, I can sue GM because >their cars are, "unsafe, defective and lacked features that would have >prevented a drunk from using it." > >Cool... > >When will people in this country be held accountable for their actions? >Makes me sick. > >At 06:35 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I guess if the US won't enact the proper criminal laws, civil laws will >be > >used instead... > > > > > >PALM BEACH COUNTY, Fla. -- A jury has awarded the widow of teacher Barry > >Grunow $1.2 million from a gun distributor. > > > >Pam Grunow's lawsuit accused Valor Corp of distributing a gun that was > >"unsafe, defective and lacked features that would > >have prevented a minor from using it." > > > >The case stems from the murder of teacher Barry Grunow by one of his > >students. Nathaniel Brazill shot Grunow to death > >two years ago in a West Palm Beach classroom. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
