Thanks Eric, I think that at times we get hung up on political labels too often, and the label, Liberal and Conservative have very different meanings in Canada than in the US. Perhaps I should have used tory and whig, although that brings in a whole new set of labels.
larry > >>>While Liberals (and I don't mean the Liberal Party) may >translation to canadianspeak >"While liberals (and I don't mean the Liberals)..." > >Liberals = capital "L" means Liberal Party of (jurisdiction within context) > >I think conservatism is alive and well in Canada. But the party which >traditionally stood behind conservative ideals is rebuilding, and the young >upstart party is still building a national support base from its regional >roots. > >As previously mentioned I think conservatism is manifested in governments of >all ideologies in Canada. (I'd have to talk in more specific terms to be >accurate, but I may not be talking about "American Conservatism", which >might be considered extreme in Canada.) > >Traditionally "C"onservative refers to the Progressive Conservative Party >which was decimated not too long ago. But they are starting to pick up the >pieces and rebuild. > >>>Just seems like Larry is trying to bend his words, and restate what they >>>guy said to fit his argument. >not how I see it at all. but reverse the roles and answer the same question. > >>>sweep the conservative parties under the rug as Larry wishes too. >I'm not sure Larry expressed that intent. He was just trying to relay >information. His facts are not wrong. > >Eric > >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Moron? >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:35:45 -0600 > >Ok. It's secret Candian speak. He said Liberals, but it was secret code >for the Liberal Party. So, what are the codes for the other "Liberal" >parties in Canada. Does Ultra-Liberal mean the New Democratic Party? Just >seems like Larry is trying to bend his words, and restate what they guy said >to fit his argument. > >I did some checking and there are about 37 different Federtal political >parties in Canada. It seems as though there are several Conservative >parties there...I nosed around a few websites. I liked the Christian >Heritage party site....of course the Marijuana party website and >Marxist-Leninist Party website were interesting in their own right. There >is even a Libertarian party in Canada. While Liberals (and I don't mean the >Liberal Party) may be the majority in Canada, I don't think that you can >just sweep the conservative parties under the rug as Larry wishes too. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:44 PM >Subject: Re: Moron? > > > > Eric, > > > > Its a Canadian thing. He wouldn't understand. > > > > And now for the traditional Winnipeg greeting, > > > > How 'bout them Bombers eh? > > > > larry > > > > >But I agree with Larry, he said Liberals, and meant the Liberal Party. > > > > > >e > > > > > >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: Moron? > > >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:47:26 -0600 > > > > > >Doesn't sound like he is referring to the "Liberal Party" is he were >you > > >think he would have said "the Liberal Party", not Liberals. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:21 AM > > >Subject: Re: Moron? > > > > > > > > > > He was referring to the LIberal Party. He was doing his job as > > > > Foreign Relations minister (placating the US), and he is also >running > > > > in the forthcoming leadership election. It doesn't invalidate what > > > > I've been saying. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > >54po0rfff2vb23Larry, > > > > > > > > > >I guess the whole country tilts to the left. So I shall say she is >a > > >member > > > > >of "a" left wing party. Doesn't matter how left they are, or it >they > > >are > > > > >the most or least left. My statement that she belongs to the >liberal > > >left > > > > >is accurate. I based my statement off of one of the many articles > > > > >avaialable on the Toronto Star. > > > > > > > > > >>From the Toronto Star: > > > > > > > > > >"Earlier Friday, Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said the >reported > > > > >remarks won't sour Canada-U.S. relations." > > > > > > > > > >"Graham said he "didn't accept the premise" that the relationship >has > > > > >worsened significantly under a perception of anti-Americanism among >some > > > > >Liberals." > > > > > > > > > >So obviously there are people there who are not liberal otherwise >he > > >would > > > > >have substituted Canadians instead of liberals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:13 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: Moron? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ROFL! > > > > >> > > > > >> You may want to check on the name of the Party, its called the > > > > >> Liberal Party. Its a center moderate party. The left wing in >Canada > > > > >> is the New Democratic Party. The right wing is represented by >the > > > > >> National Alliance party (and the remnants of the Progressive > > > > >> Conservative party). All over the place is the Bloc Quebecois. > > > > >> > > > > >> You need to get the facts correct. The LIberals are middle of >the > > > > >> road, more like Democrats yes, but by no means what you would >call > > > > >> liberal, to Canadians. Mind you compared to most political >attitudes > > > > >> in the US, the National Alliance Party is more akin to the >Democrats. > > > > >> The only groups that are akin to American conservatives are >generally > > > > >> considered to be on the far right fringe in Canada. > > > > >> > > > > >> Another case of Prime Minister Poutine again I guess. > > > > >> > > > > >> larry > > > > >> > > > > >> >Larry, > > > > >> > > > > > >> >You should mention Canadian "Liberal" perceptiveness. After >all >he > > >is a > > > > >> >member of the left wing party in Canada. There was outrage > > >expressed > > >by > > > > >the > > > > >> >right in Canada. Nothing more than politics. > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> >From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:56 PM > > > > >> >Subject: RE: Moron? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> just typical Canadian perceptiveness. The aide will probably > > >resign or > > > > >be > > > > >> >> fired, but probably will be rehired in a short while, since >he > > > > >probably > > > > >> >> looks like a hero to many Canadians. Bush is not at all >popular > > > > >outside of > > > > >> >> the US. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Besides if the US wants to complain, then the Bush >administration > > > > >should > > > > >> >> clean up its own house first. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> larry > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> -- > > > > >> >> Larry C. 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