Sure i do, but i'm not gonna let a bunch of boneheads who were stupid and
tried it in the first place
kill me by doing it. If you want to smoke in a bubble or in a sealed house
where it cant get out great.

Until then quit whining about how hard it is to quit and smokers rights and
the rest of the crap.
And as the son of a family of smokers i think i know how it goes :).
And i didnt say they should all die i said they should all keel over :P they
could keel over from a bad lunch you just took it that way.

Nobody said group x should die unless it was someone else and i missed it.

Whiny ass smokers its so hard to quit, well did someone hold you down and
make you try it.
Yes i got pressured to try it too i'm sorry if you're not as strong willed
as others. You made your bed you lay in it.
I would be happy if they got rid of cigarettes and just made it an injection
you know sorta like herion. That way you pollute your own body 100% with the
crap in it instead of polluting us




----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: SUV break?


> As a gymnastics and karate mom, I take offense at the demonization of
soccer moms. (Even if I don't have an SUV.)
>
> As the daughter-in-law of a smoker who is desperately trying to stop and
has now been smoke free for about a week, I take offense at the idea that
all smokers should die. Non-smokers have no idea how difficult it is for
smokers to stop, how strong that addiction can be. I've been finding out --
I drive my mother-in-law to her Smoker's Cessation meetings.
>
> (Now, can we argue without name-calling and without saying that "Group X
should die"?)
>
> Judith
>
>
> > I do not like the way you demonize those who may disagree with you on
> > the environment. Its the same as if I called you a greedy, uncaring
> > arrogant environment raping psychopath. In other words, your
> > characterization of those who engage in pro-social and
> > pro-environmental behaviors is completely inappropriate.
> >
> > I didn't demonize anyone.  I simply made a counter generalization to the
generalization that all SUV owners were either yuppie business people or
soccer moms, which is not the case.  Just as my generalization, that all
hybrid owners, are environmentalists, is not the case.  However, I see it is
ok for you to take anyone who uses an SUV for what you consider to be not an
intended use and impose on them your will by raising their taxes and telling
them they are destroying the environment.  I am assuming you are referring
to my calling environmentalists "wackos", when referring to demonizing them.
Tell me Larry how would you charachterize someone who, throws acid on SUVs,
violates people personal property by sticking bumper stickers on SUV that
state, "i'm changing the climte", members of the ELF that burn down homes
because they don't agree with where they are being built.  Those types of
behavior to me deserve the classification wacko, and I realize that not
everyone who considers themselves and environmentalist acts this way.
Whether I agree or disagree with someones view point has no bearing on
whether or not I consider someone wacko.  There are many people with on the
far right that I consider wackos too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > larry
> >
> > you're more of an extremist that I thought. The person who organized
> > the anti-SUV campaign is Ariana Huffington, not exactly a left wing
> > type. Lets be honest about it SUV's pollute more and use more gas
> > than a car. Its something that cannot continue forever.
> >
> > Personally I would rather see a stiff luxury tax placed on SUV's for
> > all those who do not use them for their original intended use - as a
> > work vehicle.
> >
> > larry
> >
> >
> > I think Nick covered this well.  What is intended use and who determines
intended use?  I use my SUV to tow a camper and a boat, I also use it get
groceries and I even strap the family Christmas tree on top sometime in
November.  Occasionally I use it to go off road in Michigan when I go home.
I use it in the winter to get around in the snow.  So what is the intended
use of my SUV then?
> >
>
>
> 
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