Actually, I can see your point. It would just be easier to see it if you didn't bash "whiney smokers" while making it.
Judith > Sure i do, but i'm not gonna let a bunch of boneheads who were stupid and > tried it in the first place > kill me by doing it. If you want to smoke in a bubble or in a sealed house > where it cant get out great. > > Until then quit whining about how hard it is to quit and smokers rights and > the rest of the crap. > And as the son of a family of smokers i think i know how it goes :). > And i didnt say they should all die i said they should all keel over :P they > could keel over from a bad lunch you just took it that way. > > Nobody said group x should die unless it was someone else and i missed it. > > Whiny ass smokers its so hard to quit, well did someone hold you down and > make you try it. > Yes i got pressured to try it too i'm sorry if you're not as strong willed > as others. You made your bed you lay in it. > I would be happy if they got rid of cigarettes and just made it an injection > you know sorta like herion. That way you pollute your own body 100% with the > crap in it instead of polluting us > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: SUV break? > > > > As a gymnastics and karate mom, I take offense at the demonization of > soccer moms. (Even if I don't have an SUV.) > > > > As the daughter-in-law of a smoker who is desperately trying to stop and > has now been smoke free for about a week, I take offense at the idea that > all smokers should die. Non-smokers have no idea how difficult it is for > smokers to stop, how strong that addiction can be. I've been finding out -- > I drive my mother-in-law to her Smoker's Cessation meetings. > > > > (Now, can we argue without name-calling and without saying that "Group X > should die"?) > > > > Judith > > > > > > > I do not like the way you demonize those who may disagree with you on > > > the environment. Its the same as if I called you a greedy, uncaring > > > arrogant environment raping psychopath. In other words, your > > > characterization of those who engage in pro-social and > > > pro-environmental behaviors is completely inappropriate. > > > > > > I didn't demonize anyone. I simply made a counter generalization to the > generalization that all SUV owners were either yuppie business people or > soccer moms, which is not the case. Just as my generalization, that all > hybrid owners, are environmentalists, is not the case. However, I see it is > ok for you to take anyone who uses an SUV for what you consider to be not an > intended use and impose on them your will by raising their taxes and telling > them they are destroying the environment. I am assuming you are referring > to my calling environmentalists "wackos", when referring to demonizing them. > Tell me Larry how would you charachterize someone who, throws acid on SUVs, > violates people personal property by sticking bumper stickers on SUV that > state, "i'm changing the climte", members of the ELF that burn down homes > because they don't agree with where they are being built. Those types of > behavior to me deserve the classification wacko, and I realize that not > everyone who considers themselves and environmentalist acts this way. > Whether I agree or disagree with someones view point has no bearing on > whether or not I consider someone wacko. There are many people with on the > far right that I consider wackos too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > you're more of an extremist that I thought. The person who organized > > > the anti-SUV campaign is Ariana Huffington, not exactly a left wing > > > type. Lets be honest about it SUV's pollute more and use more gas > > > than a car. Its something that cannot continue forever. > > > > > > Personally I would rather see a stiff luxury tax placed on SUV's for > > > all those who do not use them for their original intended use - as a > > > work vehicle. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > I think Nick covered this well. What is intended use and who determines > intended use? I use my SUV to tow a camper and a boat, I also use it get > groceries and I even strap the family Christmas tree on top sometime in > November. Occasionally I use it to go off road in Michigan when I go home. > I use it in the winter to get around in the snow. So what is the intended > use of my SUV then? > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
