I know i apologize, if the damn smokers would just use a needle and inject
it i would be happy

lol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: SUV break?


> Actually, I can see your point. It would just be easier to see it if you
didn't bash "whiney smokers" while making it.
>
> Judith
>
> > Sure i do, but i'm not gonna let a bunch of boneheads who were stupid
and
> > tried it in the first place
> > kill me by doing it. If you want to smoke in a bubble or in a sealed
house
> > where it cant get out great.
> >
> > Until then quit whining about how hard it is to quit and smokers rights
and
> > the rest of the crap.
> > And as the son of a family of smokers i think i know how it goes :).
> > And i didnt say they should all die i said they should all keel over :P
they
> > could keel over from a bad lunch you just took it that way.
> >
> > Nobody said group x should die unless it was someone else and i missed
it.
> >
> > Whiny ass smokers its so hard to quit, well did someone hold you down
and
> > make you try it.
> > Yes i got pressured to try it too i'm sorry if you're not as strong
willed
> > as others. You made your bed you lay in it.
> > I would be happy if they got rid of cigarettes and just made it an
injection
> > you know sorta like herion. That way you pollute your own body 100% with
the
> > crap in it instead of polluting us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judith Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: SUV break?
> >
> >
> > > As a gymnastics and karate mom, I take offense at the demonization of
> > soccer moms. (Even if I don't have an SUV.)
> > >
> > > As the daughter-in-law of a smoker who is desperately trying to stop
and
> > has now been smoke free for about a week, I take offense at the idea
that
> > all smokers should die. Non-smokers have no idea how difficult it is for
> > smokers to stop, how strong that addiction can be. I've been finding
out --
> > I drive my mother-in-law to her Smoker's Cessation meetings.
> > >
> > > (Now, can we argue without name-calling and without saying that "Group
X
> > should die"?)
> > >
> > > Judith
> > >
> > >
> > > > I do not like the way you demonize those who may disagree with you
on
> > > > the environment. Its the same as if I called you a greedy, uncaring
> > > > arrogant environment raping psychopath. In other words, your
> > > > characterization of those who engage in pro-social and
> > > > pro-environmental behaviors is completely inappropriate.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't demonize anyone.  I simply made a counter generalization to
the
> > generalization that all SUV owners were either yuppie business people or
> > soccer moms, which is not the case.  Just as my generalization, that all
> > hybrid owners, are environmentalists, is not the case.  However, I see
it is
> > ok for you to take anyone who uses an SUV for what you consider to be
not an
> > intended use and impose on them your will by raising their taxes and
telling
> > them they are destroying the environment.  I am assuming you are
referring
> > to my calling environmentalists "wackos", when referring to demonizing
them.
> > Tell me Larry how would you charachterize someone who, throws acid on
SUVs,
> > violates people personal property by sticking bumper stickers on SUV
that
> > state, "i'm changing the climte", members of the ELF that burn down
homes
> > because they don't agree with where they are being built.  Those types
of
> > behavior to me deserve the classification wacko, and I realize that not
> > everyone who considers themselves and environmentalist acts this way.
> > Whether I agree or disagree with someones view point has no bearing on
> > whether or not I consider someone wacko.  There are many people with on
the
> > far right that I consider wackos too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > larry
> > > >
> > > > you're more of an extremist that I thought. The person who organized
> > > > the anti-SUV campaign is Ariana Huffington, not exactly a left wing
> > > > type. Lets be honest about it SUV's pollute more and use more gas
> > > > than a car. Its something that cannot continue forever.
> > > >
> > > > Personally I would rather see a stiff luxury tax placed on SUV's for
> > > > all those who do not use them for their original intended use - as a
> > > > work vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > larry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think Nick covered this well.  What is intended use and who
determines
> > intended use?  I use my SUV to tow a camper and a boat, I also use it
get
> > groceries and I even strap the family Christmas tree on top sometime in
> > November.  Occasionally I use it to go off road in Michigan when I go
home.
> > I use it in the winter to get around in the snow.  So what is the
intended
> > use of my SUV then?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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