ohhh illegal of sharon, i gotcha thought you meant illegal of shrub. I never
liked sharon much too hardline but he appears to be softening a bit which is
a good thing in the long wrong. Maybe the israelis will put Ehud Barak back
in power now.


"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good
with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!"
Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"


> Can a law be enacted by the president of the US without it going through
> congress first? Is there a procedure to do so? Does it take time and have
to be
> recorded, etc.
> The roadmap was withheld from the Israeli government by the prime
minister. He
> then brought it to the ruling ministers without the required procedures,
time,
> and records being done. A vote was forced and the records of that vote
(other
> than it was accepted) is kept secret (the 14 points of disagreement). It
was
> then withheld from the larger government body that has to vote on it with
a
> statement of 'we have to do it no matter what' (basically). The entire
process
> of its 'acceptance' was illegal by the parliamentary standards of a
sovereign
> government.
> Why was this done, because Sharon has turned into as much a mouthpiece for
Bush
> as Powell. Do you know that he's releasing terrorists who have 'blood on
their
> hands' including the blood of Americans as a 'gesture of good will'? He's
> bending over backwards to do whatever Bush wants in this while the
Palestinian
> side has yet to even say they accept Israel's existence, will stop terror,
or
> anything else.
>
> > How is it illegal? They don't have to listen to it. People complain when
> > america doesn't interject in trying to get peace in the middle east then
> > when we do again its all american is forcing it down their throat.
Israel
> > and the PLO could both say no and do it themselves but they are having
such
> > goodluck on their own. In fact it was the israeli people who voted that
> > shrub like hardliner into power and screwed their best chances of peace
in a
> > long time.
> >
> > I am just curious what you think is illegal about that
> >
> >
> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was
good
> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people
off!"
> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS"
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, it will be more of the same. The whole road map being
> > forced
> > > (illegally) down Israel's throat is being done for one reason and one
> > reason
> > > only; re-election. We'll have more Bush, more Cheney, more Powell,
more of
> > the
> > > same.
> > >
> > >
> > > > If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last thing we need is
more
> > of
> > > > the same.
> > > >
> > > > Dana
> > > >
> > > > Michael Dinowitz writes:
> > > >
> > > > > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a candidate.
> > Problem
> > > is,
> > > > > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be and is
just
> > not
> > > > > someone I'd vote for anymore.
> > > > > Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix.
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powelldoctrine_short
> > > > > .html
> > > > > His military doctrine about when and how to use force. Seems he
feel
> > it only
> > > > > applies to himself, not to others....
> > > > >
> > > > > > I dunno... I could conceive of voting for him and I am sure as
hell
> > not a
> > > > > > Republican. This may change if he appears to have been
dishonest. I
> > also
> > > > > > wondered if he wasn't the source for that story.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dana
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jon hall writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I really can't
agree.
> > The
> > > > > > > administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", but obviously
he
> > > > > > > doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who originally wrote the BS
in
> > the
> > > > > > > first place.
> > > > > > > Much has been made about Powell disagreeing with the
> > administration on
> > > > > > > a lot of issues. The problem is that he is outnumbered in the
> > White
> > > > > > > House with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice usually lining up
against
> > him.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My take is the almost extreme opposite of this somehow being a
> > sign of
> > > > > > > weakness on Powell's part. I see it as a sign of strength that
he
> > > > > > > disagree's so much with the party line, but refuses to try and
> > make it
> > > > > > > an issue of right and wrong in the public eye. Especially
since
> > the
> > > > > > > American voter only really cares about the truth when their
party
> > > > > > > doesn't have the White House. I doubt Powell would have gained
> > more
> > > > > > > Democratic supporters than Republican supporters he would have
> > lost if
> > > > > > > he refused to go along with the White House.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When it comes down to it, the first black man to have a chance
of
> > > > > > > becoming President has more important things to worry about
than
> > > > > > > whether or not one reason to go to war with Iraq is better
than
> > > > > > > another.
> > > > > > > He has a strong support base on the right currently and can't
> > > > > > > let the media screw up his image by painting him as a
maverick,
> > and I
> > > > > > > can't help but draw a parallel between David Palmer in the
show
> > 24,
> > > > > > > and Powell. Playing ball now will go a long way in the future.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >  jon
> > > > > > >  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:24:00 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > > > MD> Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing more
than a
> > "yes
> > > man"
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > MD> Bush and the forces in the state department. He is
definitely
> > not in
> > > > > charge of
> > > > > > > MD> anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> On the evening of February 1, two dozen American officials
> > gathered
> > > in a
> > > > > > > MD> spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence
Agency in
> > > Langley,
> > > > > Va. The
> > > > > > > MD> time had come to make the public case for war against
Iraq.
> > For six
> > > > > hours that
> > > > > > > MD> Saturday, the men and women of the Bush administration
argued
> > about
> > > what
> > > > > > > MD> Secretary of State Colin Powell should--and should
not--say at
> > the
> > > > > United
> > > > > > > MD> Nations Security Council four days later. Not all the
secret
> > > > > intelligence about
> > > > > > > MD> Saddam Hussein's misdeeds, they found, stood up to close
> > scrutiny.
> > > At
> > > > > one point
> > > > > > > MD> during the rehearsal, Powell tossed several pages in the
air.
> > "I'm
> > > not
> > > > > reading
> > > > > > > MD> this," he declared. "This is bulls- - -."
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030609/usnews/9intell.htm
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
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