I don't want to hate Bush and in the scale of things, I don't hate him. And yes, the word 'forced' is the proper one. With the US support and arms sales to the Arab world, Israel MUST accept US support (which is almost all in arms sales anyway). America just approved the sale of new anti-aircraft missiles to Egypt. Why? Because they know that Egypt will buy them rather than feed their own people. They know that Egypt is still arming up (Korean missiles are another item Egypt buys) for a war with an 'unknown' enemy east of Egypt. They know that if they sell weapons to one side of a potential conflict, the other side will be forced to buy as well. Balance of Terror in the ME and balance of the books in the US. Personally, I'd love it if Israel just said to the US, screw you, we're cutting ourselves off and doing it on our own. We have our own industry and if we're attacked we'll just remove our enemies with whatever weapons we happen to have.
Personally, I think that Bush has this whole apocalyptic Christian thing in his mind where the final war in Israel is needed to being rapture and he's angling for it. But that's just me. > I hate shrub show me something he really did that was illegal in the eyes of > the law not just immoral. But he can't force sharon to do anything just > strongarm him. They don't > have to have the support the us gives them. I mean i know he's strong arming > them but he wasnt doing very well on his own > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > Illegal of Bush as well. He pushed for it and 'force' Sharon into doing > it. > > Sharon knows that the Israeli public will never accept what's laid out in > the > > roadmap as it stands so he hides it. As it stands and with the events that > are > > happening, a war in the middle east is inevitable. Really. > > > > > > > ohhh illegal of sharon, i gotcha thought you meant illegal of shrub. I > never > > > liked sharon much too hardline but he appears to be softening a bit > which is > > > a good thing in the long wrong. Maybe the israelis will put Ehud Barak > back > > > in power now. > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > good > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > off!" > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > Can a law be enacted by the president of the US without it going > through > > > > congress first? Is there a procedure to do so? Does it take time and > have > > > to be > > > > recorded, etc. > > > > The roadmap was withheld from the Israeli government by the prime > > > minister. He > > > > then brought it to the ruling ministers without the required > procedures, > > > time, > > > > and records being done. A vote was forced and the records of that vote > > > (other > > > > than it was accepted) is kept secret (the 14 points of disagreement). > It > > > was > > > > then withheld from the larger government body that has to vote on it > with > > > a > > > > statement of 'we have to do it no matter what' (basically). The entire > > > process > > > > of its 'acceptance' was illegal by the parliamentary standards of a > > > sovereign > > > > government. > > > > Why was this done, because Sharon has turned into as much a mouthpiece > for > > > Bush > > > > as Powell. Do you know that he's releasing terrorists who have 'blood > on > > > their > > > > hands' including the blood of Americans as a 'gesture of good will'? > He's > > > > bending over backwards to do whatever Bush wants in this while the > > > Palestinian > > > > side has yet to even say they accept Israel's existence, will stop > terror, > > > or > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > How is it illegal? They don't have to listen to it. People complain > when > > > > > america doesn't interject in trying to get peace in the middle east > then > > > > > when we do again its all american is forcing it down their throat. > > > Israel > > > > > and the PLO could both say no and do it themselves but they are > having > > > such > > > > > goodluck on their own. In fact it was the israeli people who voted > that > > > > > shrub like hardliner into power and screwed their best chances of > peace > > > in a > > > > > long time. > > > > > > > > > > I am just curious what you think is illegal about that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > > good > > > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > > off!" > > > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:04 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Colin Powell: "This is BS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it will be more of the same. The whole road map > being > > > > > forced > > > > > > (illegally) down Israel's throat is being done for one reason and > one > > > > > reason > > > > > > only; re-election. We'll have more Bush, more Cheney, more Powell, > > > more of > > > > > the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If n fact he is just another mouth piece, no. Last thing we need > is > > > more > > > > > of > > > > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Dinowitz writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His backstory once made him very attractive to me as a > candidate. > > > > > Problem > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > he's become just another mouthpiece for the powers that be and > is > > > just > > > > > not > > > > > > > > someone I'd vote for anymore. > > > > > > > > Just as an aside, let me throw this into the mix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/powelldoctrine_short > > > > > > > > .html > > > > > > > > His military doctrine about when and how to use force. Seems > he > > > feel > > > > > it only > > > > > > > > applies to himself, not to others.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dunno... I could conceive of voting for him and I am sure > as > > > hell > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > Republican. This may change if he appears to have been > > > dishonest. I > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > wondered if he wasn't the source for that story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jon hall writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it may appear so on the surface, but I really > can't > > > agree. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > administration want's Powell to be a "yes man", but > obviously > > > he > > > > > > > > > > doesn't like it. Cheney is the one who originally wrote > the BS > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > first place. > > > > > > > > > > Much has been made about Powell disagreeing with the > > > > > administration on > > > > > > > > > > a lot of issues. The problem is that he is outnumbered in > the > > > > > White > > > > > > > > > > House with Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice usually lining up > > > against > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take is the almost extreme opposite of this somehow > being a > > > > > sign of > > > > > > > > > > weakness on Powell's part. I see it as a sign of strength > that > > > he > > > > > > > > > > disagree's so much with the party line, but refuses to try > and > > > > > make it > > > > > > > > > > an issue of right and wrong in the public eye. Especially > > > since > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > American voter only really cares about the truth when > their > > > party > > > > > > > > > > doesn't have the White House. I doubt Powell would have > gained > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > Democratic supporters than Republican supporters he would > have > > > > > lost if > > > > > > > > > > he refused to go along with the White House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes down to it, the first black man to have a > chance > > > of > > > > > > > > > > becoming President has more important things to worry > about > > > than > > > > > > > > > > whether or not one reason to go to war with Iraq is better > > > than > > > > > > > > > > another. > > > > > > > > > > He has a strong support base on the right currently and > can't > > > > > > > > > > let the media screw up his image by painting him as a > > > maverick, > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > can't help but draw a parallel between David Palmer in the > > > show > > > > > 24, > > > > > > > > > > and Powell. Playing ball now will go a long way in the > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > jon > > > > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 2, 2003, 10:24:00 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > MD> Powell, who I once thought I respected, is nothing > more > > > than a > > > > > "yes > > > > > > man" > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > MD> Bush and the forces in the state department. He is > > > definitely > > > > > not in > > > > > > > > charge of > > > > > > > > > > MD> anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On the evening of February 1, two dozen American > officials > > > > > gathered > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > MD> spacious conference room at the Central Intelligence > > > Agency in > > > > > > Langley, > > > > > > > > Va. The > > > > > > > > > > MD> time had come to make the public case for war against > > > Iraq. > > > > > For six > > > > > > > > hours that > > > > > > > > > > MD> Saturday, the men and women of the Bush administration > > > argued > > > > > about > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > MD> Secretary of State Colin Powell should--and should > > > not--say at > > > > > the > > > > > > > > United > > > > > > > > > > MD> Nations Security Council four days later. Not all the > > > secret > > > > > > > > intelligence about > > > > > > > > > > MD> Saddam Hussein's misdeeds, they found, stood up to > close > > > > > scrutiny. > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > one point > > > > > > > > > > MD> during the rehearsal, Powell tossed several pages in > the > > > air. > > > > > "I'm > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > reading > > > > > > > > > > MD> this," he declared. "This is bulls- - -." > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/030609/usnews/9intell.htm > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
