Or that it's congenital. :-) Just thought it was funny the way Deanna used "ESL" in a way that reading it could make it sound like an affliction. And then I was thinking about communicability and passing things on to others, and how we learn language mostly from our parents. And then of course, the fact that communicable and communicate are both from the latin communis/communio for shared/sharing.
Unfortunately, explaining a joke just isn't as funny. -Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:13 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... > > > Meaning that it can be communicated? :) > > > Watch out! ESL is communicable. > > > -Kevin > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:07 AM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... > >> > >> > >> All right, I can see your point. But, I'm still not sure > >> I > >> agree with it. I think a lot of the reason people focus > >> on > >> language skills is that it's an easy way to cover up our > >> xenophobia. And, as much as I hate to, I'll be the first > >> to > >> admit that I find it more difficult to work with someone > >> who > >> has ESL. But, I also think that someone that has ESL > >> brings a > >> lot to the table as far as fostering respect for > >> diversity. > >> The person in question has stated that English is not his > >> first language. To be fluent in a two languages speaks to > >> this person's intelligence. I strongly doubt he's some > >> stupid > >> guy who blundered his way into the position. > >> > >> -Deanna > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:28 PM > >> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... > >> > >> > >> > No, just the language. The reason being that language > >> skills directly > >> affect his job as an administrator, i.e. the ability to > >> communicate. That's what an administrator needs -- strong > >> communication skills -- beyond which, if he's not > >> superbly > >> proficient in math or science he can communicate with his > >> staff to answer pertinent questions for subjects in which > >> he's less proficient (i.e. should our schools be teaching > >> x > >> scientific principal). Granted that he claimed a large > >> part > >> of the problem lied in punctuation, which doesn't need to > >> be > >> test-accurate on a day-to-day, "send a memo" basis. But > >> that > >> ties into my second problem. He earns 6 figures. That's > >> too > >> much money to spend on someone who's less than "the best" > >> at > >> what he does for a living. And yes, I'll admit my reason > >> for > >> saying that has partly to do with my being bitter about > >> my > >> own finances. > >> > > >> > How many people on this list are earning 6 figures > >> > (USD) and at the > >> > same > >> time don't consider themselves at the top of their > >> professional field? > >> > > >> > Is that a hand I see back there... no back there in the > >> > far back of > >> > the > >> auditorium, there on the 2nd balcony near the > >> fire-exit... > >> yep... the superintendant. :) > >> > > >> > Isaac > >> > > >> > Original Message ----------------------- > >> > And, should he also have a high level of proficiency in > >> math, science, > >> > social studies and history? How about art or shop, or > >> > home > >> ec? <---I'm > >> sure > >> > there's some more PC term for those last two. > >> > > >> > I'm not sure that a superintendent, who does no actual > >> > instruction, > >> > should have to have the same skill sets as the teachers > >> > who are > >> > actually teaching the subject. I'm sure I couldn't > >> > possibly pass a > >> > test that a high-school math teacher would. But, I > >> > might be a darn > >> > good adminstrator. > >> > > >> > Okay, I would completely suck at being an > >> > administrator. But, I'm a > >> > bad example. > >> > > >> > -d > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:40 PM > >> > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Exciting.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > I dunno ... maybe I'm just not good at "suffering > >> > > fools" (the > >> > > definition > >> > of fool of course always being a subjective personal > >> definition), but > >> > I think in order to be getting a salary of 6 figures as > >> > a > >> government > >> > paid school administrator, you'd better damn well have > >> > a > >> pretty adept > >> > command > >> of > >> > the national language. If you're earning 6 figures > >> > doing something > >> > else that's not education or language related > >> > (translator for > >> > instance) like construction, etc. I don't care -- but > >> > I'd > >> like to know > >> > that when the government pays someone a salary well in > >> > excess of 3x > >> > what I've ever made > >> in > >> > a year to make sure that kids get taught English, I > >> > want > >> that person's > >> > command of the language to be _indomitable_. > >> > (exaggerating for > >> > emphasis of course -- although it's true he makes more > >> > than 3x what > >> > I've ever made). > >> > > > >> > > Original Message ----------------------- > >> > > er...does not correspond to idiomatic English > >> > > > >> > > Dana Tierney writes: > >> > > > >> > > > Well it seems to me that if his English was all > >> > > > that broken he > >> > > > would > >> not > >> > > > have made it to superintendant. There are a good > >> > > > many fluent or > >> > > > native English speakers, possibly including me, who > >> could not pass > >> > > > a test on formal grammar in English, because we > >> > > > have not had to > >> > > > learn it. Are > >> you > >> > > > really clear on when to use me and when to use I? > >> > > > The "correct" > >> > > > answer > >> > does > >> > > > correspond to idiomatic English. Same thing with > >> > > > which and that. > >> > However, > >> > > > if the guy has been suspending teachers over this > >> > > > and he can't > >> > > > pass it himself, that smells of hypocrisy unless > >> > > > this is one of > >> > > > those mandated tests we are seeing so much of. > >> > > > Personally I am > >> > > > opposed to high-stakes testing, especially for > >> children, but this > >> > > > is just another instance of > >> > its > >> > > > idiocies. > >> > > > > >> > > > Mind you you get no argument from me on the quality > >> public schools > >> > > > ... > >> > even > >> > > > the best are far more concerned with keeping > >> > > > students' > >> behavior in > >> line > >> > > > than they are in academics. > >> > > > > >> > > > Dana > >> > > > > >> > > > Heald, Tim writes: > >> > > > > >> > > > > The guy said he had problems with the rules of > >> English, because > >> > > > > it > >> was > >> > his > >> > > > > second language. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I don't want him in charge of my son's school > >> district. This is > >> > > > > why > >> > my sons > >> > > > > will both be attending private schools. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Timothy Heald > >> > > > > Information Systems Specialist > >> > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > >> > > > > U.S. Department of State > >> > > > > 571.345.2235 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:55 PM > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Exciting.... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I don't think not passing the test means he is > >> > > > > incompetent I > >> > > > > think > >> it > >> > means > >> > > > > the test isnt measuring what it is supposed to > >> > > > > measure. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Dana > >> > > > > > >> > > > > s. isaac dealey writes: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > How does an incompetent person get a 6 figure > >> government job? > >> > > > > > ... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Original Message ----------------------- > >> > > > > > Hmm, it ought to kill the superintendent, not > >> > > > > > you. > >> Well, his > >> > > > > > job anyway... /Ben > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > This kills me. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/03/superi> > > ntendent.test.ap/index.h > >> > tml > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > > Archives: > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 > > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. > > cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 > > > Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up > > with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. > > http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm > > > Unsubscribe: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns > > > ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.5 > > > > > s. isaac dealey 972-490-6624 > > team macromedia volunteer http://www.macromedia.com/go/team > > chief architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to > > onTap is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/ontap > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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