Yea, I don't need people to agree with me... :) And like I say, I'm willing to admit that no small part of my opinion is driven by bitterness about my own finances.
> All right, I can see your point. But, I'm still not sure I > agree with it. I > think a lot of the reason people focus on language skills > is that it's an > easy way to cover up our xenophobia. And, as much as I > hate to, I'll be the > first to admit that I find it more difficult to work with > someone who has > ESL. But, I also think that someone that has ESL brings a > lot to the table > as far as fostering respect for diversity. The person in > question has stated > that English is not his first language. To be fluent in a > two languages > speaks to this person's intelligence. I strongly doubt > he's some stupid guy > who blundered his way into the position. > -Deanna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> No, just the language. The reason being that language >> skills directly > affect his job as an administrator, i.e. the ability to > communicate. That's > what an administrator needs -- strong communication skills > -- beyond which, > if he's not superbly proficient in math or science he can > communicate with > his staff to answer pertinent questions for subjects in > which he's less > proficient (i.e. should our schools be teaching x > scientific principal). > Granted that he claimed a large part of the problem lied > in punctuation, > which doesn't need to be test-accurate on a day-to-day, > "send a memo" basis. > But that ties into my second problem. He earns 6 figures. > That's too much > money to spend on someone who's less than "the best" at > what he does for a > living. And yes, I'll admit my reason for saying that has > partly to do with > my being bitter about my own finances. >> >> How many people on this list are earning 6 figures (USD) >> and at the same > time don't consider themselves at the top of their > professional field? >> >> Is that a hand I see back there... no back there in the >> far back of the > auditorium, there on the 2nd balcony near the fire-exit... > yep... the > superintendant. :) >> >> Isaac >> >> Original Message ----------------------- >> And, should he also have a high level of proficiency in >> math, science, >> social studies and history? How about art or shop, or >> home ec? <---I'm > sure >> there's some more PC term for those last two. >> >> I'm not sure that a superintendent, who does no actual >> instruction, should >> have to have the same skill sets as the teachers who are >> actually teaching >> the subject. I'm sure I couldn't possibly pass a test >> that a high-school >> math teacher would. But, I might be a darn good >> adminstrator. >> >> Okay, I would completely suck at being an administrator. >> But, I'm a bad >> example. >> >> -d >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:40 PM >> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> >> >> > I dunno ... maybe I'm just not good at "suffering >> > fools" (the definition >> of fool of course always being a subjective personal >> definition), but I >> think in order to be getting a salary of 6 figures as a >> government paid >> school administrator, you'd better damn well have a >> pretty adept command > of >> the national language. If you're earning 6 figures doing >> something else >> that's not education or language related (translator for >> instance) like >> construction, etc. I don't care -- but I'd like to know >> that when the >> government pays someone a salary well in excess of 3x >> what I've ever made > in >> a year to make sure that kids get taught English, I want >> that person's >> command of the language to be _indomitable_. >> (exaggerating for emphasis of >> course -- although it's true he makes more than 3x what >> I've ever made). >> > >> > Original Message ----------------------- >> > er...does not correspond to idiomatic English >> > >> > Dana Tierney writes: >> > >> > > Well it seems to me that if his English was all that >> > > broken he would > not >> > > have made it to superintendant. There are a good many >> > > fluent or native >> > > English speakers, possibly including me, who could >> > > not pass a test on >> > > formal grammar in English, because we have not had to >> > > learn it. Are > you >> > > really clear on when to use me and when to use I? The >> > > "correct" answer >> does >> > > correspond to idiomatic English. Same thing with >> > > which and that. >> However, >> > > if the guy has been suspending teachers over this and >> > > he can't pass it >> > > himself, that smells of hypocrisy unless this is one >> > > of those mandated >> > > tests we are seeing so much of. Personally I am >> > > opposed to high-stakes >> > > testing, especially for children, but this is just >> > > another instance of >> its >> > > idiocies. >> > > >> > > Mind you you get no argument from me on the quality >> > > public schools ... >> even >> > > the best are far more concerned with keeping >> > > students' behavior in > line >> > > than they are in academics. >> > > >> > > Dana >> > > >> > > Heald, Tim writes: >> > > >> > > > The guy said he had problems with the rules of >> > > > English, because it > was >> his >> > > > second language. >> > > > >> > > > I don't want him in charge of my son's school >> > > > district. This is why >> my sons >> > > > will both be attending private schools. >> > > > >> > > > Timothy Heald >> > > > Information Systems Specialist >> > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council >> > > > U.S. Department of State >> > > > 571.345.2235 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:55 PM >> > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I don't think not passing the test means he is >> > > > incompetent I think > it >> means >> > > > the test isnt measuring what it is supposed to >> > > > measure. >> > > > >> > > > Dana >> > > > >> > > > s. isaac dealey writes: >> > > > >> > > > > How does an incompetent person get a 6 figure >> > > > > government job? ... >> > > > > >> > > > > Original Message ----------------------- >> > > > > Hmm, it ought to kill the superintendent, not >> > > > > you. >> > > > > Well, his job anyway... >> > > > > /Ben >> > > > > >> > > > > > This kills me. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/03/superintendent.te >> st.ap/index.html >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > Archives: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. > cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 > Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up > with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. > http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns > ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.5 s. isaac dealey 972-490-6624 team macromedia volunteer http://www.macromedia.com/go/team chief architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to onTap is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/ontap ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
