Meaning that it can be communicated? :) > Watch out! ESL is communicable.
> -Kevin >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Deanna Schneider >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:07 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> >> >> All right, I can see your point. But, I'm still not sure >> I >> agree with it. I think a lot of the reason people focus >> on >> language skills is that it's an easy way to cover up our >> xenophobia. And, as much as I hate to, I'll be the first >> to >> admit that I find it more difficult to work with someone >> who >> has ESL. But, I also think that someone that has ESL >> brings a >> lot to the table as far as fostering respect for >> diversity. >> The person in question has stated that English is not his >> first language. To be fluent in a two languages speaks to >> this person's intelligence. I strongly doubt he's some >> stupid >> guy who blundered his way into the position. >> >> -Deanna >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:28 PM >> Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> >> >> > No, just the language. The reason being that language >> skills directly >> affect his job as an administrator, i.e. the ability to >> communicate. That's what an administrator needs -- strong >> communication skills -- beyond which, if he's not >> superbly >> proficient in math or science he can communicate with his >> staff to answer pertinent questions for subjects in which >> he's less proficient (i.e. should our schools be teaching >> x >> scientific principal). Granted that he claimed a large >> part >> of the problem lied in punctuation, which doesn't need to >> be >> test-accurate on a day-to-day, "send a memo" basis. But >> that >> ties into my second problem. He earns 6 figures. That's >> too >> much money to spend on someone who's less than "the best" >> at >> what he does for a living. And yes, I'll admit my reason >> for >> saying that has partly to do with my being bitter about >> my >> own finances. >> > >> > How many people on this list are earning 6 figures >> > (USD) and at the >> > same >> time don't consider themselves at the top of their >> professional field? >> > >> > Is that a hand I see back there... no back there in the >> > far back of >> > the >> auditorium, there on the 2nd balcony near the >> fire-exit... >> yep... the superintendant. :) >> > >> > Isaac >> > >> > Original Message ----------------------- >> > And, should he also have a high level of proficiency in >> math, science, >> > social studies and history? How about art or shop, or >> > home >> ec? <---I'm >> sure >> > there's some more PC term for those last two. >> > >> > I'm not sure that a superintendent, who does no actual >> > instruction, >> > should have to have the same skill sets as the teachers >> > who are >> > actually teaching the subject. I'm sure I couldn't >> > possibly pass a >> > test that a high-school math teacher would. But, I >> > might be a darn >> > good adminstrator. >> > >> > Okay, I would completely suck at being an >> > administrator. But, I'm a >> > bad example. >> > >> > -d >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:40 PM >> > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> > >> > >> > > I dunno ... maybe I'm just not good at "suffering >> > > fools" (the >> > > definition >> > of fool of course always being a subjective personal >> definition), but >> > I think in order to be getting a salary of 6 figures as >> > a >> government >> > paid school administrator, you'd better damn well have >> > a >> pretty adept >> > command >> of >> > the national language. If you're earning 6 figures >> > doing something >> > else that's not education or language related >> > (translator for >> > instance) like construction, etc. I don't care -- but >> > I'd >> like to know >> > that when the government pays someone a salary well in >> > excess of 3x >> > what I've ever made >> in >> > a year to make sure that kids get taught English, I >> > want >> that person's >> > command of the language to be _indomitable_. >> > (exaggerating for >> > emphasis of course -- although it's true he makes more >> > than 3x what >> > I've ever made). >> > > >> > > Original Message ----------------------- >> > > er...does not correspond to idiomatic English >> > > >> > > Dana Tierney writes: >> > > >> > > > Well it seems to me that if his English was all >> > > > that broken he >> > > > would >> not >> > > > have made it to superintendant. There are a good >> > > > many fluent or >> > > > native English speakers, possibly including me, who >> could not pass >> > > > a test on formal grammar in English, because we >> > > > have not had to >> > > > learn it. Are >> you >> > > > really clear on when to use me and when to use I? >> > > > The "correct" >> > > > answer >> > does >> > > > correspond to idiomatic English. Same thing with >> > > > which and that. >> > However, >> > > > if the guy has been suspending teachers over this >> > > > and he can't >> > > > pass it himself, that smells of hypocrisy unless >> > > > this is one of >> > > > those mandated tests we are seeing so much of. >> > > > Personally I am >> > > > opposed to high-stakes testing, especially for >> children, but this >> > > > is just another instance of >> > its >> > > > idiocies. >> > > > >> > > > Mind you you get no argument from me on the quality >> public schools >> > > > ... >> > even >> > > > the best are far more concerned with keeping >> > > > students' >> behavior in >> line >> > > > than they are in academics. >> > > > >> > > > Dana >> > > > >> > > > Heald, Tim writes: >> > > > >> > > > > The guy said he had problems with the rules of >> English, because >> > > > > it >> was >> > his >> > > > > second language. >> > > > > >> > > > > I don't want him in charge of my son's school >> district. This is >> > > > > why >> > my sons >> > > > > will both be attending private schools. >> > > > > >> > > > > Timothy Heald >> > > > > Information Systems Specialist >> > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council >> > > > > U.S. Department of State >> > > > > 571.345.2235 >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:55 PM >> > > > > To: CF-Community >> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Exciting.... >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I don't think not passing the test means he is >> > > > > incompetent I >> > > > > think >> it >> > means >> > > > > the test isnt measuring what it is supposed to >> > > > > measure. >> > > > > >> > > > > Dana >> > > > > >> > > > > s. isaac dealey writes: >> > > > > >> > > > > > How does an incompetent person get a 6 figure >> government job? >> > > > > > ... >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Original Message ----------------------- >> > > > > > Hmm, it ought to kill the superintendent, not >> > > > > > you. >> Well, his >> > > > > > job anyway... /Ben >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This kills me. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/03/superi> > ntendent.test.ap/index.h >> > tml >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > Archives: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. > cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 > Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up > with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. > http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns > ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.5 s. isaac dealey 972-490-6624 team macromedia volunteer http://www.macromedia.com/go/team chief architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to onTap is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/ontap ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
