So if you're afflicted with ESL that makes you a communist. :P > Kevin Graeme wrote:
>>Or that it's congenital. :-) >> >>Just thought it was funny the way Deanna used "ESL" in a >>way that >>reading it could make it sound like an affliction. And >>then I was >>thinking about communicability and passing things on to >>others, and how >>we learn language mostly from our parents. And then of >>course, the fact >>that communicable and communicate are both from the latin >>communis/communio for shared/sharing. >> >>Unfortunately, explaining a joke just isn't as funny. >> >>-Kevin >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:13 AM >>>To: CF-Community >>>Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >>> >>> >>>Meaning that it can be communicated? :) >>> >>> >>> >>>>Watch out! ESL is communicable. >>>> >>>> >>>>-Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Deanna Schneider >>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:07 AM >>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>All right, I can see your point. But, I'm still not >>>>>sure >>>>>I >>>>>agree with it. I think a lot of the reason people focus >>>>>on >>>>>language skills is that it's an easy way to cover up >>>>>our >>>>>xenophobia. And, as much as I hate to, I'll be the >>>>>first >>>>>to >>>>>admit that I find it more difficult to work with >>>>>someone >>>>>who >>>>>has ESL. But, I also think that someone that has ESL >>>>>brings a >>>>>lot to the table as far as fostering respect for >>>>>diversity. >>>>>The person in question has stated that English is not >>>>>his >>>>>first language. To be fluent in a two languages speaks >>>>>to >>>>>this person's intelligence. I strongly doubt he's some >>>>>stupid >>>>>guy who blundered his way into the position. >>>>> >>>>>-Deanna >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:28 PM >>>>>Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>No, just the language. The reason being that language >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>skills directly >>>>>affect his job as an administrator, i.e. the ability to >>>>>communicate. That's what an administrator needs -- >>>>>strong >>>>>communication skills -- beyond which, if he's not >>>>>superbly >>>>>proficient in math or science he can communicate with >>>>>his >>>>>staff to answer pertinent questions for subjects in >>>>>which >>>>>he's less proficient (i.e. should our schools be >>>>>teaching >>>>>x >>>>>scientific principal). Granted that he claimed a large >>>>>part >>>>>of the problem lied in punctuation, which doesn't need >>>>>to >>>>>be >>>>>test-accurate on a day-to-day, "send a memo" basis. But >>>>>that >>>>>ties into my second problem. He earns 6 figures. That's >>>>>too >>>>>much money to spend on someone who's less than "the >>>>>best" >>>>>at >>>>>what he does for a living. And yes, I'll admit my >>>>>reason >>>>>for >>>>>saying that has partly to do with my being bitter about >>>>>my >>>>>own finances. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>How many people on this list are earning 6 figures >>>>>>(USD) and at the >>>>>>same >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>time don't consider themselves at the top of their >>>>>professional field? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Is that a hand I see back there... no back there in >>>>>>the >>>>>>far back of >>>>>>the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>auditorium, there on the 2nd balcony near the >>>>>fire-exit... >>>>>yep... the superintendant. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Isaac >>>>>> >>>>>>Original Message ----------------------- >>>>>>And, should he also have a high level of proficiency >>>>>>in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>math, science, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>social studies and history? How about art or shop, or >>>>>>home >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>ec? <---I'm >>>>>sure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>there's some more PC term for those last two. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm not sure that a superintendent, who does no actual >>>>>>instruction, >>>>>>should have to have the same skill sets as the >>>>>>teachers >>>>>>who are >>>>>>actually teaching the subject. I'm sure I couldn't >>>>>>possibly pass a >>>>>>test that a high-school math teacher would. But, I >>>>>>might be a darn >>>>>>good adminstrator. >>>>>> >>>>>>Okay, I would completely suck at being an >>>>>>administrator. But, I'm a >>>>>>bad example. >>>>>> >>>>>>-d >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:40 PM >>>>>>Subject: RE: Re: Re: Exciting.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I dunno ... maybe I'm just not good at "suffering >>>>>>>fools" (the >>>>>>>definition >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>of fool of course always being a subjective personal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>definition), but >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I think in order to be getting a salary of 6 figures >>>>>>as >>>>>>a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>government >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>paid school administrator, you'd better damn well have >>>>>>a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>pretty adept >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>command >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>the national language. If you're earning 6 figures >>>>>>doing something >>>>>>else that's not education or language related >>>>>>(translator for >>>>>>instance) like construction, etc. I don't care -- but >>>>>>I'd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>like to know >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>that when the government pays someone a salary well in >>>>>>excess of 3x >>>>>>what I've ever made >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>a year to make sure that kids get taught English, I >>>>>>want >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>that person's >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>command of the language to be _indomitable_. >>>>>>(exaggerating for >>>>>>emphasis of course -- although it's true he makes more >>>>>>than 3x what >>>>>>I've ever made). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Original Message ----------------------- >>>>>>>er...does not correspond to idiomatic English >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dana Tierney writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well it seems to me that if his English was all >>>>>>>>that broken he >>>>>>>>would >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>have made it to superintendant. There are a good >>>>>>>>many fluent or >>>>>>>>native English speakers, possibly including me, who >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>could not pass >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>a test on formal grammar in English, because we >>>>>>>>have not had to >>>>>>>>learn it. Are >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>really clear on when to use me and when to use I? >>>>>>>>The "correct" >>>>>>>>answer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>does >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>correspond to idiomatic English. Same thing with >>>>>>>>which and that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>However, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>if the guy has been suspending teachers over this >>>>>>>>and he can't >>>>>>>>pass it himself, that smells of hypocrisy unless >>>>>>>>this is one of >>>>>>>>those mandated tests we are seeing so much of. >>>>>>>>Personally I am >>>>>>>>opposed to high-stakes testing, especially for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>children, but this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>is just another instance of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>its >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>idiocies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Mind you you get no argument from me on the quality >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>public schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>even >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>the best are far more concerned with keeping >>>>>>>>students' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>behavior in >>>>>line >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>than they are in academics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dana >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Heald, Tim writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The guy said he had problems with the rules of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>English, because >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>was >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>his >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>second language. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't want him in charge of my son's school >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>district. This is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>why >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>my sons >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>will both be attending private schools. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Timothy Heald >>>>>>>>>Information Systems Specialist >>>>>>>>>Overseas Security Advisory Council >>>>>>>>>U.S. Department of State >>>>>>>>>571.345.2235 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:55 PM >>>>>>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: Exciting.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't think not passing the test means he is >>>>>>>>>incompetent I >>>>>>>>>think >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>means >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>the test isnt measuring what it is supposed to >>>>>>>>>measure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Dana >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>s. isaac dealey writes: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>How does an incompetent person get a 6 figure >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>government job? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Original Message ----------------------- >>>>>>>>>>Hmm, it ought to kill the superintendent, not >>>>>>>>>>you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>Well, his >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>job anyway... /Ben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>This kills me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/03/superi> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>ntendent.test.ap/index.h >>>> >>>> >>>>>>tml >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>~~ >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~| >>>>Archives: >>>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid= >>>>5 >>>>Subscription: >>>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. >>>>cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 >>>> >>>> >>>>Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up >>>>with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. >>>>http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm >>>> >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/uns >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ubscribe.cfm?user=633.558.5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>s. isaac dealey 972-490-6624 >>> >>>team macromedia volunteer >>>http://www.macromedia.com/go/team >>> >>>chief architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to >>> >>>onTap is opensource >>>http://www.turnkey.to/ontap >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > Archives: > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index. > cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 > This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by > CFHosting.com. 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