Watch out! ESL is communicable. -Kevin
> -----Original Message----- > From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:07 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... > > > All right, I can see your point. But, I'm still not sure I > agree with it. I think a lot of the reason people focus on > language skills is that it's an easy way to cover up our > xenophobia. And, as much as I hate to, I'll be the first to > admit that I find it more difficult to work with someone who > has ESL. But, I also think that someone that has ESL brings a > lot to the table as far as fostering respect for diversity. > The person in question has stated that English is not his > first language. To be fluent in a two languages speaks to > this person's intelligence. I strongly doubt he's some stupid > guy who blundered his way into the position. > > -Deanna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Exciting.... > > > > No, just the language. The reason being that language > skills directly > affect his job as an administrator, i.e. the ability to > communicate. That's what an administrator needs -- strong > communication skills -- beyond which, if he's not superbly > proficient in math or science he can communicate with his > staff to answer pertinent questions for subjects in which > he's less proficient (i.e. should our schools be teaching x > scientific principal). Granted that he claimed a large part > of the problem lied in punctuation, which doesn't need to be > test-accurate on a day-to-day, "send a memo" basis. But that > ties into my second problem. He earns 6 figures. That's too > much money to spend on someone who's less than "the best" at > what he does for a living. And yes, I'll admit my reason for > saying that has partly to do with my being bitter about my > own finances. > > > > How many people on this list are earning 6 figures (USD) and at the > > same > time don't consider themselves at the top of their professional field? > > > > Is that a hand I see back there... no back there in the far back of > > the > auditorium, there on the 2nd balcony near the fire-exit... > yep... the superintendant. :) > > > > Isaac > > > > Original Message ----------------------- > > And, should he also have a high level of proficiency in > math, science, > > social studies and history? How about art or shop, or home > ec? <---I'm > sure > > there's some more PC term for those last two. > > > > I'm not sure that a superintendent, who does no actual instruction, > > should have to have the same skill sets as the teachers who are > > actually teaching the subject. I'm sure I couldn't possibly pass a > > test that a high-school math teacher would. But, I might be a darn > > good adminstrator. > > > > Okay, I would completely suck at being an administrator. But, I'm a > > bad example. > > > > -d > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:40 PM > > Subject: RE: Re: Re: Exciting.... > > > > > > > I dunno ... maybe I'm just not good at "suffering fools" (the > > > definition > > of fool of course always being a subjective personal > definition), but > > I think in order to be getting a salary of 6 figures as a > government > > paid school administrator, you'd better damn well have a > pretty adept > > command > of > > the national language. If you're earning 6 figures doing something > > else that's not education or language related (translator for > > instance) like construction, etc. I don't care -- but I'd > like to know > > that when the government pays someone a salary well in excess of 3x > > what I've ever made > in > > a year to make sure that kids get taught English, I want > that person's > > command of the language to be _indomitable_. (exaggerating for > > emphasis of course -- although it's true he makes more than 3x what > > I've ever made). > > > > > > Original Message ----------------------- > > > er...does not correspond to idiomatic English > > > > > > Dana Tierney writes: > > > > > > > Well it seems to me that if his English was all that broken he > > > > would > not > > > > have made it to superintendant. There are a good many fluent or > > > > native English speakers, possibly including me, who > could not pass > > > > a test on formal grammar in English, because we have not had to > > > > learn it. Are > you > > > > really clear on when to use me and when to use I? The "correct" > > > > answer > > does > > > > correspond to idiomatic English. Same thing with which and that. > > However, > > > > if the guy has been suspending teachers over this and he can't > > > > pass it himself, that smells of hypocrisy unless this is one of > > > > those mandated tests we are seeing so much of. Personally I am > > > > opposed to high-stakes testing, especially for > children, but this > > > > is just another instance of > > its > > > > idiocies. > > > > > > > > Mind you you get no argument from me on the quality > public schools > > > > ... > > even > > > > the best are far more concerned with keeping students' > behavior in > line > > > > than they are in academics. > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > > > > > The guy said he had problems with the rules of > English, because > > > > > it > was > > his > > > > > second language. > > > > > > > > > > I don't want him in charge of my son's school > district. This is > > > > > why > > my sons > > > > > will both be attending private schools. > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Heald > > > > > Information Systems Specialist > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > > > U.S. Department of State > > > > > 571.345.2235 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:55 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Exciting.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think not passing the test means he is incompetent I > > > > > think > it > > means > > > > > the test isnt measuring what it is supposed to measure. > > > > > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > s. isaac dealey writes: > > > > > > > > > > > How does an incompetent person get a 6 figure > government job? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message ----------------------- > > > > > > Hmm, it ought to kill the superintendent, not you. > Well, his > > > > > > job anyway... /Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > This kills me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/08/03/superi> ntendent.test.ap/index.h > > tml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
