yeah yeah yeah... thought of you after I wrote that and left the house :) Sorry if that offended you :)
Dana John Stanley writes: > ....ahem...... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney > To: CF-Community > Sent: 8/6/03 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > I think that everyone who has answered you considers themselves a > Christian. My personal issue is this restrictive defininition of a > perfectly serviceable word, ie if you to not attend Happy Days Baptist > church in Shepherd Texas you are just not a Christian. I think this sort > of > thinking has its base in one group trying to ompete with another group, > just like the catholic churche telling women not to use birth control... > tey figured they would just out populate every one else. > > In my view Catholics are Christians. Although a strict interpretation of > my > religion would require me to attempt to convert you to my particular > denomination, I think that Protestants are Christians. I am using the > term > in it original sense of "believes that the Christ is the savior." > > Matthew Small writes: > > > What I really get out of this is that non-Christians want Christians > to: > > 1) Not look at them as non-Christians > > 2) Believe they are going to Heaven right along with Christians > > 3) Ignore the Scripture as it has been taught throughout the ages in > favor > > of a "feel-good, do what makes you happy" interpretation. > > > > Gosh, if the above is true, then what is religion for? > > > > "there are some (not all) sects of Christianity that believe that if > you're > > not in the > > same sect/franchise/denomination/whatever (never mind whether or not > > you're a Christian) you're going to hell. 'course we can't fault them > > for their beliefs I suppose...guess they found the section of the > bible > > they wanted to uphold..." > > > > So which parts of the Bible do you subscribe to that lets you go to > Heaven > > without believing in God? > > > > Most of the world is religious to one extent or the other. Somebody > > somewhere has a different religion than mine and therefore I will go > to > > their version of Hell when I die. That's fine with me. I'm not going > to > > make them accept Jesus (although I believe they should). I'm not > going to > > tell them that they need to pick a leader who doesn't support their > core > > beliefs when that opportunity arises. I'm just going to practice my > own > > faith, as you should practice yours or lack of faith and let them be. > > > > Like I said before, there is a distinct anti-Christian feel to this > group, > > it comes up often, but not from other members of religious > organizations, > > but from distictly non-religious people. > > > > I don't have any problem with people believing what they want to > believe. > > Why do you? I'll practice my religion, you... do whatever. > > > > Matt Small > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William H Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > Absolutely, it's the whole idea about Christanity - that if you're > > > outside > > > > of the religion, you're going to Hell. I don't understand what > the > > > problem > > > > > > Oooo, and this brings up a personal favorite of mine...> > > > ...nice... > > > > > > or how about those Christians that believe Catholics are going to > hell, > > > too? Aren't Catholics Christians as well? > > > > > > will > > > > > > Matthew Small wrote: > > > > > > >It's obvious you don't get it at all - wait a minute, maybe you do. > > > > > > > >Absolutely, it's the whole idea about Christanity - that if you're > > outside > > > >of the religion, you're going to Hell. I don't understand what the > > problem > > > >is with this. Either you subscribe to the religion, or you don't. > Those > > > >that do subscribe are forgiven and go to Heaven. Those that don't > > subscribe > > > >to the religion are not forgiven and go to Hell. There is no two > ways > > about > > > >it, there's no "forgiveness because he's a good person at heart", > no > > > >in-betweens, no exceptions. Obviously, there are people within the > > religion > > > >who commit bad sins, heinous crimes, hold grudges, hate others. > > Everybody > > > >points the finger at others for their crimes and sins and ask for > > > >retribution. Fortunately, Christians know to also look at > themselves and > > > >ask for the forgiveness for their sins (including judgement of > others) > > that > > > >Jesus Christ gave to us when He died on the cross, and we do try to > live > > the > > > >right life. > > > > > > > >It appears to me that you're saying that the greatest fault with > the > > church > > > >is the judgement of fellow man. It is a failing, but don't forget > the > > fact > > > >that the ultimate judgement comes from God, and either you're with > Him or > > > >against Him. > > > > > > > >Matthew Small > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:56 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I have been to many, many churches. They are all about the same. > Most > > very > > > >> > > > >> > > > >nice. But the gossip, backstabbing and petty hate has been an > integral > > part > > > >of all the ones I've spent any time in to date. And it is always > the > > church > > > >elders and "VIP"s that are the worst offenders. Note, however, it > is > > seldom > > > >the priests (at least not in my hearing). > > > > > > > > > > > >>I don't think that the people should be perfect. But if they point > their > > > >> > > > >> > > > >finger at me (or others) and say - You are not following the LAW, > then > > they > > > >should be willing to look at themselves at the same time, and see > how > > their > > > >actions fall within their own rules. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Most of these churches I have been to have a very active "other" > > barrier. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >They are very tolerant of those inside the barrier, but do not > allow the > > > >same kind of human foibles to those outside the barrier. The same > action > > > >from one within their group is treated as a forgivable sin, but if > done > > by > > > >someone outside, "they're going to hell". Fortunately the barrier > and > > > >reasons for it move from group to group, so most people can find a > group > > > >just like them (as you say "personality is more like"). But the > very > > > >existence of that kind of thinking is at odds with the basic > teachings of > > > >all these churches, IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > >>You say this issue about the Bishop is not about hate. It is about > hate. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Not everyone. Those who just disagree, even enthusiastically, are > great. > > > >Differences of opinion are great. That's why there is more than one > > church. > > > >People who think this guy is the worst thing to come along since > the > > > >Inquisition have every right to their opinion. Heck, even those > people > > who > > > >are calling in the death threats have the right to their opinion. > Just > > not > > > >to act on it. > > > > > > > > > > > >>The coverage I have seen (TV, Radio, Internet) have shown that > many of > > > >> > > > >> > > > >those in the "against" camp are of the witch-burning variety. Many > of > > them > > > >hold high positions in the Anglican Church. That is what I find sad > and a > > > >little bit funny. They don't see that their very actions are > > diametrically > > > >opposite of what they say they are fighting for. And they guy they > are > > > >fighting against seems to be better at what they say they are > fighting > > for > > > >than they are. Funny. > > > > > > > > > > > >>I do think most Christians (since they fall in the "most people" > > category) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >are selfish, self absorbed, and quite capable of not only hating, > but > > actual > > > >being proud of hating. > > > > > > > > > > > >>I also never said their (our) religion was invalid. I think its > great. > > And > > > >> > > > >> > > > >I hope that someday they will _follow_ it a little more. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Jerry Johnson > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/06/03 12:32PM >>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>I would say that your church is in the minority, and that you > don't go > > to > > > >>church enough, and that you need to find a church where you feel > that > > your > > > >>personality is more like those of the congregation. > > > >> > > > >>I love my church, I have a good time going, and I don't find most > people > > > >> > > > >> > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > >>be hypocrital, just human. It sounds as though you expect all of > your > > > >>church goers to be practically perfect - that just isn't so. If > you > > > >>subscribe to tolerance, don't be bothered by what others do, just > live > > the > > > >>right life yourself. > > > >> > > > >>Take a minute and listen to what the bible-thumbers have to say in > it's > > > >>entirety, and you'll realize that it's not about hate at all, it's > about > > > >>different opinions than yours regarding some issues. Not to say > that > > > >> > > > >> > > > >there > > > > > > > > > > > >>is not hate, but it's mostly not. > > > >> > > > >>It sounds like your opinion of your church leads to you think that > most > > > >>Christians are people filled with hate and therefore their > religion is > > > >>invalid. How's that for intolerance? You're blaming an entire > religion > > > >> > > > >> > > > >for > > > > > > > > > > > >>the problems that you have your your church. I'm sure that you > don't > > know > > > >>the people that I go to church with. They are the nicest group of > > people > > > >>that I've ever had the chance to be affliated with. > > > >> > > > >>Matthew Small > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:01 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>First off, I am a Christian. Methodist to be precise. > > > >>> > > > >>>But I don't often go to Church. > > > >>> > > > >>>I find that the Church, and most of those who practice the > Christian > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>religions, somewhat hypocritical. (And I do know this is an > insult.) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>They preach love and tolerance, but seldom practice it. And don't > > really > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>try too hard. Nor feel bad about it when they don't. They tend to > be > > > >> > > > >> > > > >really > > > > > > > > > > > >>good haters. And if you don't toe the line exactly as they define > it > > (and > > > >>there are hundreds of lines, all drawn in different places) you > are a > > bad, > > > >>bad person, and deserve all you get. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>As for this guy, I truly don't care one way or another. If his > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>congregation is for him, that's what matters to me. > Intellectually. It > > > >>doesn't really matter to me at all in the overall sense. But I do > get > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
