Good take - and I agree, but it is all moot now, and the Bishop got his appointment.
| -----Original Message----- | From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:16 AM | To: CF-Community | Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... | | | Actually, you need to read and study the Bible to understand which parts of | it to follow. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I do go to Bible studies and | read the Word to know what it is trying to say to me. That's a major point | of the religion that non-Christians don't seem to understand - you think | it's like a set of laws, when in reality it's a mostly set of guidelines for | following your life, along with some laws, and the Lord guides each of us in | his own way. Which are which? That's up to people more learned than me to | figure out. | | But back to the real point - when Jesus the Messiah came, he ruled that the | Law of Moses was in the past, and that His law - the doctrines of | forgiveness, acceptance, and love - are the new law. There are definitely | some prohibitions as to some things to do and not do - I don't know what | they are offhand, as I don't know the Levitical laws - but it's not about | picking and choosing what you want to do or not do according to the Bible. | | How does this affect the choosing of the homosexual Bishop? Let me try to | explain as best as I understand the Bible and it's teachings (like I said, | I'm no Bible scholar, but I try). To start with, there is a standard for | people who spread the Word - they must hold themselves to a much higher | standard than the people that they minister to, not meaning that they are | without sin, but that they walk the straight and narrow line as closely as | possible. Next, there are prohibitions against having sexual relations with | any person outside the bounds of matrimony. The fact alone that the | Bishop-elect lives with a sexual partner (male or female) outside of | marriage should be enough to exclude him from being a priest in the first | place. Thirdly, homosexuality is a sin in and of itself in the eyes of God, | and whether anybody else agrees with Him is irrevelant, it's His decision | alone to make, and that's that. Openly promoting and living a sinful life, | whatever the sin, whether it being sexual relations with a man or woman, or | spreading hurtful gossip, or giving the finger to a driver who cuts you off | in traffic, is not a trait that men of the Cloth should have. Again, this is | not to say that these men are perfect, but rather held to a higher standard, | I would say much like a job promotion - you are better at your job than your | peers who did not get promoted, therefore are deserving of more | responsibility and respect because you embody the creed. | | One very important point to be made is in all of this, the law of | forgiveness and acceptance is still upheld. Jesus loves every person on | Earth, and wants them to follow His ways. He forgives everybody of all of | their sins, although he hates the sin, and loves the sinner. There is no | prohibition against this man being a Christian, just against being a priest | or bishop or whatever. God loves us all. | | Anyway, that's my take. | Matthew Small | | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:37 PM | Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... | | | > So in that case its ok to pick and choose which parts of the bible to | follow. | > | > larry | > | > At 04:39 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Matthew Small wrote: | > >Actually, Christians aren't supposed to follow Levitical law, but rather | the | > >law of acceptance and forgiveness as told by Jesus Christ. | > > | > >Matthew Small | > > | > >----- Original Message ----- | > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:30 PM | > >Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... | > > | > > | > > > That's for sure. Haven't been to a good stoning in years. And how many | > > > Christian men follow the prescriptions in Leviticus and Exodus. | > > > | > > > larry | > > > | > > > At 03:09 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Deanna Schneider wrote: | > > > >I think the rub lies in the fact that the bible says a lot of things | that | > >no | > > > >one follows. I read a really good article about it once, which I, of | | > >course, | > > > >can't find now. But, it basically went through all the things that | people | > > > >couldn't do, or would have to do, if the bible was followed verbatim. | The | > > > >point was that the bible was written a long time ago and parts of it | are | > > > >accepted as no longer relevant. So, who's to say that the edicts | against | > > > >homosexuality are any more relevant than these other things deemed | > > > >irrelevant now. | > > > > | > > > >-d | > > > > | > > > > | > > > >----- Original Message ----- | > > > >From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:36 PM | > > > >Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > Umm I said catholic where? | > > > > > | > > > > > If they want to say yes more power. I guess they haven't read the | > >bible, | > > > > > but so be it. | > > > > > | > > > > > BTW I am a recently converted atheist, after being one of those | flaky | > >feel | > > > > > good pagan types. I don't want it to be misunderstood. I do not | > >believe | > > > > > what the book says, but if you claim it........... | > > > > > | > > > > > Timothy Heald | > > > > > Information Systems Specialist | > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council | > > > > > U.S. Department of State | > > > > > 571.345.2235 | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:32 PM | > > > > > To: CF-Community | > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > In this particular case, it's the Episcopalian Church that was | about | > >to | > > > > > explicitly say "yes" to a gay bishop. Different Church than if he | was | > > > > > Catholic. | > > > > > | > > > > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:49 PM | > > > > > > To: CF-Community | > > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > Wait. I have no problem with anyone based on sexual | > > > > > > preference, however, how can one claim to be a "Christian" | > > > > > > after the bible says sodomy is a no go, and god killed a | > > > > > > bunch of those that practiced it? Not to mention is the | > > > > > > church free to make whatever bylaws it wants? Shouldn't they | > > > > > > be able to say no gay ministers? I mean the military still | > > > > > > does and that's a government institution. | > > > > > > | > > > > > > Timothy Heald | > > > > > > Information Systems Specialist | > > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council | > > > > > > U.S. Department of State | > > > > > > 571.345.2235 | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:40 PM | > > > > > > To: CF-Community | > > > > > > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > Isn't that what's happening now, i.e., Laramie Wyoming and | > > > > > > the most recent | > > > > > > election fiasco with the Episcopalian Church. | > > > > > > | > > > > > > larry | > > > > > > | > > > > > > At 01:33 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doug White wrote: | > > > > > > | > > > > > > >If we decriminalized these so-called crimes what would be | > > > > > > left for the | > > > > > > >right-wing to do? Gang up on the homos? | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > | > | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
