Sure it was. Over a period of several thousand years, and in multiple languages.
- Matthew Small ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > Or the bible is just a book that was written by some guys to make everyone > conform to a set of societal guidelines that were easily enforceable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:16 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > Actually, you need to read and study the Bible to understand which parts of > it to follow. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I do go to Bible studies and > read the Word to know what it is trying to say to me. That's a major point > of the religion that non-Christians don't seem to understand - you think > it's like a set of laws, when in reality it's a mostly set of guidelines for > following your life, along with some laws, and the Lord guides each of us in > his own way. Which are which? That's up to people more learned than me to > figure out. > > But back to the real point - when Jesus the Messiah came, he ruled that the > Law of Moses was in the past, and that His law - the doctrines of > forgiveness, acceptance, and love - are the new law. There are definitely > some prohibitions as to some things to do and not do - I don't know what > they are offhand, as I don't know the Levitical laws - but it's not about > picking and choosing what you want to do or not do according to the Bible. > > How does this affect the choosing of the homosexual Bishop? Let me try to > explain as best as I understand the Bible and it's teachings (like I said, > I'm no Bible scholar, but I try). To start with, there is a standard for > people who spread the Word - they must hold themselves to a much higher > standard than the people that they minister to, not meaning that they are > without sin, but that they walk the straight and narrow line as closely as > possible. Next, there are prohibitions against having sexual relations with > any person outside the bounds of matrimony. The fact alone that the > Bishop-elect lives with a sexual partner (male or female) outside of > marriage should be enough to exclude him from being a priest in the first > place. Thirdly, homosexuality is a sin in and of itself in the eyes of God, > and whether anybody else agrees with Him is irrevelant, it's His decision > alone to make, and that's that. Openly promoting and living a sinful life, > whatever the sin, whether it being sexual relations with a man or woman, or > spreading hurtful gossip, or giving the finger to a driver who cuts you off > in traffic, is not a trait that men of the Cloth should have. Again, this is > not to say that these men are perfect, but rather held to a higher standard, > I would say much like a job promotion - you are better at your job than your > peers who did not get promoted, therefore are deserving of more > responsibility and respect because you embody the creed. > > One very important point to be made is in all of this, the law of > forgiveness and acceptance is still upheld. Jesus loves every person on > Earth, and wants them to follow His ways. He forgives everybody of all of > their sins, although he hates the sin, and loves the sinner. There is no > prohibition against this man being a Christian, just against being a priest > or bishop or whatever. God loves us all. > > Anyway, that's my take. > Matthew Small > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > So in that case its ok to pick and choose which parts of the bible to > follow. > > > > larry > > > > At 04:39 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Matthew Small wrote: > > >Actually, Christians aren't supposed to follow Levitical law, but rather > the > > >law of acceptance and forgiveness as told by Jesus Christ. > > > > > >Matthew Small > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:30 PM > > >Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > That's for sure. Haven't been to a good stoning in years. And how many > > > > Christian men follow the prescriptions in Leviticus and Exodus. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > At 03:09 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Deanna Schneider wrote: > > > > >I think the rub lies in the fact that the bible says a lot of things > that > > >no > > > > >one follows. I read a really good article about it once, which I, of > > > >course, > > > > >can't find now. But, it basically went through all the things that > people > > > > >couldn't do, or would have to do, if the bible was followed verbatim. > The > > > > >point was that the bible was written a long time ago and parts of it > are > > > > >accepted as no longer relevant. So, who's to say that the edicts > against > > > > >homosexuality are any more relevant than these other things deemed > > > > >irrelevant now. > > > > > > > > > >-d > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:36 PM > > > > >Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umm I said catholic where? > > > > > > > > > > > > If they want to say yes more power. I guess they haven't read the > > >bible, > > > > > > but so be it. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW I am a recently converted atheist, after being one of those > flaky > > >feel > > > > > > good pagan types. I don't want it to be misunderstood. I do not > > >believe > > > > > > what the book says, but if you claim it........... > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Heald > > > > > > Information Systems Specialist > > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > > > > U.S. Department of State > > > > > > 571.345.2235 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:32 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this particular case, it's the Episcopalian Church that was > about > > >to > > > > > > explicitly say "yes" to a gay bishop. Different Church than if he > was > > > > > > Catholic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:49 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait. I have no problem with anyone based on sexual > > > > > > > preference, however, how can one claim to be a "Christian" > > > > > > > after the bible says sodomy is a no go, and god killed a > > > > > > > bunch of those that practiced it? Not to mention is the > > > > > > > church free to make whatever bylaws it wants? Shouldn't they > > > > > > > be able to say no gay ministers? I mean the military still > > > > > > > does and that's a government institution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Heald > > > > > > > Information Systems Specialist > > > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > > > > > U.S. Department of State > > > > > > > 571.345.2235 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:40 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that what's happening now, i.e., Laramie Wyoming and > > > > > > > the most recent > > > > > > > election fiasco with the Episcopalian Church. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:33 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doug White wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If we decriminalized these so-called crimes what would be > > > > > > > left for the > > > > > > > >right-wing to do? 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