did they elect him? good for the episcopalians I say. Dana
Doug White writes: > Good take - and I agree, but it is all moot now, and the Bishop got his > appointment. > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:16 AM > | To: CF-Community > | Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > | > | Actually, you need to read and study the Bible to understand which parts of > | it to follow. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I do go to Bible studies and > | read the Word to know what it is trying to say to me. That's a major point > | of the religion that non-Christians don't seem to understand - you think > | it's like a set of laws, when in reality it's a mostly set of guidelines for > | following your life, along with some laws, and the Lord guides each of us in > | his own way. Which are which? That's up to people more learned than me to > | figure out. > | > | But back to the real point - when Jesus the Messiah came, he ruled that the > | Law of Moses was in the past, and that His law - the doctrines of > | forgiveness, acceptance, and love - are the new law. There are definitely > | some prohibitions as to some things to do and not do - I don't know what > | they are offhand, as I don't know the Levitical laws - but it's not about > | picking and choosing what you want to do or not do according to the Bible. > | > | How does this affect the choosing of the homosexual Bishop? Let me try to > | explain as best as I understand the Bible and it's teachings (like I said, > | I'm no Bible scholar, but I try). To start with, there is a standard for > | people who spread the Word - they must hold themselves to a much higher > | standard than the people that they minister to, not meaning that they are > | without sin, but that they walk the straight and narrow line as closely as > | possible. Next, there are prohibitions against having sexual relations with > | any person outside the bounds of matrimony. The fact alone that the > | Bishop-elect lives with a sexual partner (male or female) outside of > | marriage should be enough to exclude him from being a priest in the first > | place. Thirdly, homosexuality is a sin in and of itself in the eyes of God, > | and whether anybody else agrees with Him is irrevelant, it's His decision > | alone to make, and that's that. Openly promoting and living a sinful life, > | whatever the sin, whether it being sexual relations with a man or woman, or > | spreading hurtful gossip, or giving the finger to a driver who cuts you off > | in traffic, is not a trait that men of the Cloth should have. Again, this is > | not to say that these men are perfect, but rather held to a higher standard, > | I would say much like a job promotion - you are better at your job than your > | peers who did not get promoted, therefore are deserving of more > | responsibility and respect because you embody the creed. > | > | One very important point to be made is in all of this, the law of > | forgiveness and acceptance is still upheld. Jesus loves every person on > | Earth, and wants them to follow His ways. He forgives everybody of all of > | their sins, although he hates the sin, and loves the sinner. There is no > | prohibition against this man being a Christian, just against being a priest > | or bishop or whatever. God loves us all. > | > | Anyway, that's my take. > | Matthew Small > | > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:37 PM > | Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > | > | > So in that case its ok to pick and choose which parts of the bible to > | follow. > | > > | > larry > | > > | > At 04:39 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, Matthew Small wrote: > | > >Actually, Christians aren't supposed to follow Levitical law, but rather > | the > | > >law of acceptance and forgiveness as told by Jesus Christ. > | > > > | > >Matthew Small > | > > > | > >----- Original Message ----- > | > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:30 PM > | > >Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > > > | > > > | > > > That's for sure. Haven't been to a good stoning in years. And how many > | > > > Christian men follow the prescriptions in Leviticus and Exodus. > | > > > > | > > > larry > | > > > > | > > > At 03:09 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Deanna Schneider wrote: > | > > > >I think the rub lies in the fact that the bible says a lot of things > | that > | > >no > | > > > >one follows. I read a really good article about it once, which I, of > | > | > >course, > | > > > >can't find now. But, it basically went through all the things that > | people > | > > > >couldn't do, or would have to do, if the bible was followed verbatim. > | The > | > > > >point was that the bible was written a long time ago and parts of it > | are > | > > > >accepted as no longer relevant. So, who's to say that the edicts > | against > | > > > >homosexuality are any more relevant than these other things deemed > | > > > >irrelevant now. > | > > > > > | > > > >-d > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > >----- Original Message ----- > | > > > >From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:36 PM > | > > > >Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > > Umm I said catholic where? > | > > > > > > | > > > > > If they want to say yes more power. I guess they haven't read the > | > >bible, > | > > > > > but so be it. > | > > > > > > | > > > > > BTW I am a recently converted atheist, after being one of those > | flaky > | > >feel > | > > > > > good pagan types. I don't want it to be misunderstood. I do not > | > >believe > | > > > > > what the book says, but if you claim it........... > | > > > > > > | > > > > > Timothy Heald > | > > > > > Information Systems Specialist > | > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > | > > > > > U.S. Department of State > | > > > > > 571.345.2235 > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > -----Original Message----- > | > > > > > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:32 PM > | > > > > > To: CF-Community > | > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > In this particular case, it's the Episcopalian Church that was > | about > | > >to > | > > > > > explicitly say "yes" to a gay bishop. Different Church than if he > | was > | > > > > > Catholic. > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > | > > > > > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:49 PM > | > > > > > > To: CF-Community > | > > > > > > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > Wait. I have no problem with anyone based on sexual > | > > > > > > preference, however, how can one claim to be a "Christian" > | > > > > > > after the bible says sodomy is a no go, and god killed a > | > > > > > > bunch of those that practiced it? Not to mention is the > | > > > > > > church free to make whatever bylaws it wants? Shouldn't they > | > > > > > > be able to say no gay ministers? I mean the military still > | > > > > > > does and that's a government institution. > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > Timothy Heald > | > > > > > > Information Systems Specialist > | > > > > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > | > > > > > > U.S. Department of State > | > > > > > > 571.345.2235 > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > | > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:40 PM > | > > > > > > To: CF-Community > | > > > > > > Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > Isn't that what's happening now, i.e., Laramie Wyoming and > | > > > > > > the most recent > | > > > > > > election fiasco with the Episcopalian Church. > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > larry > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > At 01:33 PM 8/5/2003 -0500, Doug White wrote: > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > >If we decriminalized these so-called crimes what would be > | > > > > > > left for the > | > > > > > > >right-wing to do? Gang up on the homos? > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > | > > > | > > | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
