perceived to be much larger a problem than just the movement of jobs offshore,
where creme d'la creme students are graduating from engineering universities
funded in large part by US firms such as IBM and Microsoft. Neither of these
companies are investing that much in the US and the US employees are paying the
price.
There is no shortage of IT talent in the US, whether it be native born,
immigrant or via H1B visas. The bottom line that the bean counters are looking
at is the lower cost of labor. After all it is US talent in creating the
technology of communications that even made it possible for the businesses to
move their jobs offshore.
I do not know what it would take to reverse the trend or if, at this point a
reversal is even possible. I know of one corporation just this past week who
had 12000 Dell Computers on order, and summarily cancelled the entire order,
advising them that the reason was due to Dell moving so many tech jobs off
shore, and they were not willing to deal with non-English speaking or EASL
support people when they wanted or needed support. What they are doing now is
hiring local techs and setting up their own mini-factory to assemble the
products in-house in order to fulfill a major contract with a school district.
They may be taking a lower profit on the contract, but I applaud their sense of
business ethics.
There are news reports that India is graduating thousands of engineers yearly,
people who are highly intelligent, and motivated to excellence. The wages these
people will earn "out of the box" will be in the neighborhood of $500.00
monthly, which is more than double the average income for professionals, but
less than one-sixth of what their counterparts are earning in the US. There are
reports that H1B visa holders are finding it a better deal to return home and
seek employment there. A US based employee, whether they be native American,
native born, immigrant or even H1B visa, are paying US taxes and assisting in
supporting the economy of the US, something that is not happening when off-shore
employees are hired. Included in the definition of disadvantages is not just
the American Indians, but all that are unemployed due to their jobs being farmed
our overseas, never to be returned.
Part of the problem is the recruiters, and part is the incessant chase for the
bottom line, without regard to the overall effect it is having on the country as
a whole. This brings Corporate and personal greed into a new light.
As Mikey said, I will vote for the one who will halt the export of technology
and technology jobs.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "S.Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: Who I'm voting for
| > Uhh...where does the money which the companies that
| > farm out to India make in profit go?
|
| The comment wasn't about the money made in profit for the companies
| that are farming out the work -- the comment is about the money being
| made by the companies getting the work farmed out to them. Money moves
| in both directions.
|
| Which is rather -- the whole point of the discussion in the first
| place -- so your question applies as equally to Mike's original email
| as it does to mine.
|
| > The fact that American Indians would be more poorly
| > trained than their Indian counterparts is a huge Con,
| > and one which would most likely bust the idea.
|
| Who says they'd have to be poorly trained in comparison? A great lot
| of the people I know working as web applications developers _today_
| have no more than a fast-track-to-coldfusion class under their belt,
| _if_that_. A good friend of mine doesn't even have that -- he's got a
| GED and a massage therapy license and is earning nearly 6 figures
| subcontracted to the water department in Vegas. Admittedly, he may be
| an exception, but I still know rather a lot of people working in this
| industry with little or no education. I'm a GED graduate myself for
| that matter.
|
| > Perhaps the American Indians could be urged to take
| > a look at the world market and the skillsets required,
| > and train in those skillsets as the Indians have done.
|
| Ummm... how much of what I wrote did you read? ... Forget that the
| American Indians are likely by and large in worse financial condition
| than those overseas (and therefore less able to pay for training),
| that was rather a large part of my point -- to help them train in the
| skillsets people are looking for.
|
| Or perhaps I should just stop trying to help people _at_all_ if all
| I'm gonna get for my troubles is snide remarks.
|
| > -Gel
|
|
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:44 PM
| > To: CF-Community
| > Subject: Re: Who I'm voting for
|
|
| > PRO:
|
| > 1) The money stays in the US and benefits some of our most
| > economically depressed citizens. Business trips when
| > desirable are
| > also less expensive.
|
| > 2) American Indians by and large speak English rather than
| > English-ASL, which will mitigate communication gaps and
| > errors in
| > translation.
|
| > 3) The US Government offers financial assistance in the
| > form of grants
| > and I believe some loans to minority businesses.
|
| > CON:
|
| > 1) American Indian workers are probably still slightly
| > more expensive
| > than workers on the Indian sub-continent.
|
| > 2) American Indian workers will likely require more
| > training. I'm
| > banking on their being eager learners. :)
|
| > 3) Some reservations may not have pre-existing
| > infrastructure to make
| > remote networking easy.
|
| > I'm not saying it's a complete solution to anyone's
| > problems. I do
| > think the idea deserves attention, possibly even
| > legislative
| > attention.
|
|
|
|
|
| >
|
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