MY issue with the whole "ketosis" thing is this:  ketosis can be burning DIETARY fat.  If you eat alot of fat, and are burning dietary fat, its not exactly a big deal.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sandy Clark
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:31 AM
  Subject: RE: Atkins

  I think the problem is that most people don't really read what Atkins said,
  or do any research.

  Atkins recommends that to lose weight a person do the following:

  1.    Start a 2 week induction in which you are ingesting about 20 grams of
  carbohydrates a day.  This will put you into Ketosis, which is fat burning.
  You can figure out if you are in ketosis by using Ketosis strips available
  at any pharmacy.

  2. Each week after the induction period, add about 5 grams of carbohydrates
  per day.  So week 3 would be 25 grams, Week 4 would be 30.  Keep checking
  ketosis. If you drop out at a certain level, then you have found your
  ketosis level.  Back up 5 grams below the level you stopped being in ketosis
  and continue at that level.

  3. Once you know your ketosis level, and you have lost all the weight your
  body is going to lose (I say your body not your mind).  Then you may up your
  carbs to the extent that you aren't going to gain weight anymore.  Once you
  know your carb level, stick to it.

  Don't worry about weight dropping, measure inches instead.

  For instance, I went into Ketosis 3 days after starting the diet and dropped
  6 pounds. (Mostly water), after that I didn't drop any weight for 3 months.
  However my body lost some inches and I just kept at it.  After my initial
  forays, I found that my carb level was about 40 grams a day.  I ended up
  losing about 5 pounds a month.  After I hit 140, I couldn't lose anymore
  weight to save my life.  My body had found its level.  (I wanted to lose
  about 5 more).  I keep my carb level at about 50 now, I've gained some
  weight back because of this, but am going to go down to 40 grams again to
  get the weight off.

    _____  

  From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:57 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Atkins

  correct - but the amount of carb intake of most people I've met who are on
  the Atkins diet, is seriously too low.  I don't know if that's because
  they're not following his advice prperly or because his diet is insane.  I
  have never had enough interest in his diet to explore it that closely.  I do
  know the physiological effects of nutrients in our body as well as the
  effects of screwing around with that too much, and I'm very fit and have no
  need to try to lose weight, so I eat a normal healthy diet and don't
  investigate the "ins and outs" of fad diets.  Like I said, from what I've
  seen, it looks like a good way to lose weight quick but I wouldn't recommend
  it long term... whether it's low or no carbs.  Carbs are good.  Protein is
  good.  Alcohol is good.  Fat is good.  Basically most things are good - it's
  a matter of balance.  I don't believe low carb is any better for your health
  than high carb.

  ~Simon

  Simon Horwith
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Sent: 20 January 2004 17:32
    To: CF-Community
    Subject: Re: Atkins

    Low carb is not "NO carb".  There are carbs on most low carb diets, except
  extreme things like "fat fasts" etc.  The body does not NEED processed
  flours, or sugar.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Simon Horwith
      To: CF-Community
      Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:10 AM
      Subject: RE: Atkins

      you don't actually think 3 years is a long time do you?  I smoked for 18
      years - my lungs didn't collapse.  Must not be too bad for my lungs,
  right?
      The question is what kind of problems might I have 20 or 30 years from
  now.
      I know that's an exreme example however, if you stay on that diet for a
  long
      time, done correctly OR incorrectly, you will be at a higher risk of
  certain
      ailments.  That doesn't mean you definitely will suffer kidney failure
  or
      anything else, but it puts you at a higher risk and it's not a healthy
  long
      term diet.  Carbs are good for you.  Your body needs carbs.  So is fat,
      protein, etc. etc.  They should be balanced - no extremes necessary.
  The
      extremes that Atkins dieters prescribe to are great for quick weight
  loss.
      They are not a good life long eating habit.

      ~Simon

      Simon Horwith
      CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
      Member of Team Macromedia
      Macromedia Certified Instructor
      Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
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        -----Original Message-----
        From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: 20 January 2004 15:59
        To: CF-Community
        Subject: RE: Atkins

        I disagree about it being unhealthy.  Done correctly over time, it can
  be
      a
        very healthy way of eating.

        Typical daily diet (remember i've been on it for about 3 years now).

        Morning
            Cup of Tea and Vitamins
            Fruit Shake or Eggs and Bacon or Low Carb hot Cereal. (sometimes
  low
        carb pancakes, but rarely)

        Lunch
            Low Carb Pasta and Tuna or Chef Salad or Tuna Salad

        Snacks
            Low carb crackers and cheese
            Nuts
            Low Carb Bar

        Dinner
            Meat/Fish/Chicken
            Vegetable
            Salad

        Dessert
            Sugar Free Jello or Low Carb Cheesecake or Low Carb Ice Cream.

        I tend to drink 1 to 11/2 liters of water  a day.  I have some grains,
  but
        they are mostly soy and flax.

          _____

        From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:49 AM
        To: CF-Community
        Subject: Re:Atkins

        My cardiac rehab program said there's no need to do something this
  drastic
        or possibly harmful. Told me to cut down on simple carbs ("white"
  flour,
        potatos, etc.), substitute whole grains. Have been getting neat stuff
  from
        Trader Joe's like whole grain breads and pita, blueberry bran muffins,
      whole
        wheat pasta, Optimum cereal with whole wheat, soy, and flax,etc.
        Feel good, losing weight (with moderate exercise), keeps the lower
  tummy
        working properly, good for cholesterol. Have discovered sweet
  potatoes -
        yummy baked sweet potatoe "fries".

        -Ben

        >The diet works, but I haven't heard a nutritionist or normal doctor
  yet
        that
        >says it's healthy.
        >
        >I recommend you check your ketone levels while on the program and
  read
        about
        >the implications.
        >
        >-Kevin
        >
        >----- Original Message -----
        >From: "Adam Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:22 AM
        >Subject: Atkins
        >
        >
        >> Anybody tried this diet.
        >>
        >> Starting weight 274lbs.
        >>
        >> I'm on day 2 and feeling weak (apparently this passes). Plus it
  takes
      you
        >> off caffeine, so have got a caffeine headache.
        >>
        >> I'm also trying to eat healthily. I know they say you can eat as
  much
        >bacon
        >> as you physically can get down your throat, but that can't be good.
  Can
        >it?
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> Adam
        >>
        >>
        >>
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