On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 12:36 , Paris Lundis wrote:
> Well the myths are fairly valid

No, the myths are still fairly widely believed :)

In fact, there are good Java compilers and VMs that can get very close to 
native compiled C++ speeds - certainly within 10% last I read.

> ideally, though it is heading in the better direction due
> to intelligence and not just faster processors...

Yes, hopefully people will find the benefits of the new features outweigh 
any perceived 'issues' with Java.

> CF succeeded on its ease of use and simple syntax... other 'real'
> programming fails for its complexity, cost to implement, longer debugging,
> etc.

There's somewhere around 300,000 ColdFusion developers. Java and C++ both 
boast much, much larger development communities. I don't think you can say 
they have 'failed'.

> CF is also attainable so of course a good number of newbies and such...

And CF remains attainable - and hopefully will stay that way for the 
foreseeable future as well.

> So being a dummy about the issues with MX and the strategy, what exactly 
> is
> proving cumbersome or radically different? is compiled code optional or
> mandatory?

CFMX compiles pages to Java bytecode (via Java) and then the JVM 
interprets that. Previously CF5 'compiled' pages to an intermediate 
representation and then interpreted that. Where CFMX scores is that the 
bytecode representation remains on disk to be loaded and interpreted 
without compilation on subsequent accesses - CF5 had to 'recompile' the 
page each time.

> Can users still get that easy to use out of box experience, or is there 
> the
> Java installation, third party torture and new syntax just to get started?

Try downloading the CFMX trial and see for yourself. For the vast majority 
of people, it installs just as easily as previous CF versions and 
everything 'just works'. I'm sitting here with a Windows 2K laptop, a 
Linux laptop and a Mac G4 laptop. Each of them is happily running CFMX and 
I've had no need to mess with "Java installation, third party torture or 
new syntax to get started"...

Since getting started, I've downloaded the Oracle 9i Thin Client drivers 
for Mac and installed those so I can create a suitable data source on my 
main laptop (easy, not torture).

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

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