Listen, I am by far not the only one that has responded to this topic,so don't make it appear as though I'm bitching up a storm unnecessarily.
>From Ben Forta's reply, the thread has been read and salient portions sent onto the right people. Ergo the discussion has helped in whatever small way. Ciao. -Angel P.s. in answer to your questions: "Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or not to give you work based on the IDE you use?" No. "Further, are you saying that you pitch CF as a solution to your clients partly because of DW MX?" Because of MM support for DWMX and it's assistance in RAD for CF,and the fact that it has become well known, It is worth mentioning as part of a pitch to provide a CF Based solution. (You may want to check Microsoft's website and their case studies which always mention the Microsoft Visual IDE used and how it enhances the .NET platform and makes it easy for developers to provide their solution, if this confuses you.) We have mentioned Dreamweaaver MX as an example that the application server has a mature and cohesive IDE behind it and is part of the larger MM vision and product suite.We have illustrated the fact that it uses industry standard development environments same as .ASP and PHP,in response to client's questions about the maturity of Coldfusion as opposed to .ASP and whether future expansion of their solution will be stymied because of loss of support for emerging technologies. It helps when answering questions sitting face to face with a client to whom 'Coldfusion' is something alien, and Microsoft is an old friend.We mention Flash too, btw. And I don't think that's ludicrous at all. I don't know about you, but we compete for projects against .ASP developers in our particular market for web solutions. For some clients, and sadly usually the larger ones, .ASP is more attractive, and CF must be 'sold' to them. It's forced us to expand to encompass providing .ASP solutions. So do I think that having a well known product like DWMX in your corner helps during a sales pitch? Yes I do. Much better than saying we use Notepad to create your corporate website, when the other guy comes in talking about the "Visual Studio .NET suite" and how they can change the world with it, and oooh look at these nice case studies...see what we can do for you. "I'm sorry, but that just sounds ludicrous to me" Perhaps next time you should wait for me to answer...if my answer to your diatribe matters that is. Either way I've said what I've had to say and won't be responding to this thread any longer. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a quick question for you, since this is the second time you've suggested it. Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or not to give you work based on the IDE you use? Further, are you saying that you pitch CF as a solution to your clients partly because of DW MX? I'm sorry, but that just sounds ludicrous to me -- how I do my work is inconsequential to getting it done as far as the client is concerned. I think Macromedia has a lot of other positives you can point to if you need to pitch their stability as a company to your client (which, again, I think is ludicrous). Look, I understand you're not very happy with DW 2004 (even though it sounds like you haven't even seen it yet). And yes, I would agree that there's probably been some marketing missteps regarding the CF community (as others have pointed out, including some employees themselves). But you're making an awful lot of noise about a non-released product. If you're so dissatisfied, can you direct your frustrations to the proper people at Macromedia. I'm sure you'll be able to find their e-mail addresses on their web site. I'd like to get back to learning/helping people on the list with technical issues. Regards, Dave. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
