Something you have to remember is that Dreamweaver was quite popular before MM had CF in it's toolkit. You can't expect them to totally change the strategy of an already popular tool just to please the CF community. There's a large DW community as well and they do not all - or even most - use CF.
Marketing is targeted to increase sales in a certain area. CF developers already buy DW and are keenly aware of it, there is no competing product for CF developers, it's the other folks that need to be introduced to it and need to be shown how it compares to their current tools. Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their money somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those people who buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing to the future of MM and CF with their funds. In the end, I think having an IDE that welcomes other developers is an excellent R&D opportunity as well. If MM knows what ASP and PHP coders are doing, what their tools offer, etc. it gives them better insight on how to keep CF competitive - or one step ahead as is the current situation. I think that would be a better angle for you than touting Dreamweaver as your IDE, to say that all of those people coming in to do ASP development obviously believe in Macromedia - they use their tools. Then you can tell them the other developers are just too cheap to fork over the $ for a real App Server and that's why they choose ASP :) Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-0801 ext. 254 ************************************************************************ ************* Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ************************************************************************ ************* -----Original Message----- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Listen, I am by far not the only one that has responded to this topic,so don't make it appear as though I'm bitching up a storm unnecessarily. >From Ben Forta's reply, the thread has been read and salient portions sent onto the right people. Ergo the discussion has helped in whatever small way. Ciao. -Angel P.s. in answer to your questions: "Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or not to give you work based on the IDE you use?" No. "Further, are you saying that you pitch CF as a solution to your clients partly because of DW MX?" Because of MM support for DWMX and it's assistance in RAD for CF,and the fact that it has become well known, It is worth mentioning as part of a pitch to provide a CF Based solution. (You may want to check Microsoft's website and their case studies which always mention the Microsoft Visual IDE used and how it enhances the .NET platform and makes it easy for developers to provide their solution, if this confuses you.) We have mentioned Dreamweaaver MX as an example that the application server has a mature and cohesive IDE behind it and is part of the larger MM vision and product suite.We have illustrated the fact that it uses industry standard development environments same as .ASP and PHP,in response to client's questions about the maturity of Coldfusion as opposed to .ASP and whether future expansion of their solution will be stymied because of loss of support for emerging technologies. It helps when answering questions sitting face to face with a client to whom 'Coldfusion' is something alien, and Microsoft is an old friend.We mention Flash too, btw. And I don't think that's ludicrous at all. I don't know about you, but we compete for projects against .ASP developers in our particular market for web solutions. For some clients, and sadly usually the larger ones, .ASP is more attractive, and CF must be 'sold' to them. It's forced us to expand to encompass providing .ASP solutions. So do I think that having a well known product like DWMX in your corner helps during a sales pitch? Yes I do. Much better than saying we use Notepad to create your corporate website, when the other guy comes in talking about the "Visual Studio .NET suite" and how they can change the world with it, and oooh look at these nice case studies...see what we can do for you. "I'm sorry, but that just sounds ludicrous to me" Perhaps next time you should wait for me to answer...if my answer to your diatribe matters that is. Either way I've said what I've had to say and won't be responding to this thread any longer. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a quick question for you, since this is the second time you've suggested it. Are you saying that your clients will choose whether or not to give you work based on the IDE you use? Further, are you saying that you pitch CF as a solution to your clients partly because of DW MX? I'm sorry, but that just sounds ludicrous to me -- how I do my work is inconsequential to getting it done as far as the client is concerned. I think Macromedia has a lot of other positives you can point to if you need to pitch their stability as a company to your client (which, again, I think is ludicrous). Look, I understand you're not very happy with DW 2004 (even though it sounds like you haven't even seen it yet). And yes, I would agree that there's probably been some marketing missteps regarding the CF community (as others have pointed out, including some employees themselves). But you're making an awful lot of noise about a non-released product. If you're so dissatisfied, can you direct your frustrations to the proper people at Macromedia. I'm sure you'll be able to find their e-mail addresses on their web site. I'd like to get back to learning/helping people on the list with technical issues. Regards, Dave. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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