On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Lets say you drive a ford and I give you a piston for a Chevy for free. > Unless you happen to also have a Chevy with the engine that fits, I > basically gave you a useless piston...but it was free... So to say this > bundle is beneficial to all is a misstatement. OK. Show me where I (or anyone in this or any other thread) said "this bundle is beneficial to all". Take your time and look hard. > They should offer other > options. That would be the right thing to do. The "right" thing to do is highly subjective. For you, it might be the right thing to do, and as I've said (repeatedly), I understand that. This is the direction that Adobe's chosen to take. And while I get that it's not beneficial for everybody, I see where there is the potential for it to be beneficial by way of cross-promoting CF to Flex people and Flex to CF people. That, to me, doesn't seem like the "wrong thing". All I'm asking people to realize is that because it's not "right" for them does not make it wrong. There is no scenario under which it would be "right" for everybody. > It's the same reason why > many of us stopped using Dreamweaver. While DW is a great package, it has > a > lot of features that are completely useless to us as developers, while Home > site or Eclipse was just right as far as an environment for developers as > opposed to designers. If I don't use flash or flex, what is the value of > Flash builder to me? (hint: $0) I stopped using DW because I found it to be bloated, sluggish, and unresponsive. I've heard that it's gotten better, but I've not had the opportunity to try it out lately. To you, the value of FlashBuilder is $0. I can't say, "I get that" any more than I already have. To others, there's value. Perhaps I've been wanting to try my hand at Flex, but wasn't prepared to shell out the $ for FlexBuilder/FlashBuilder. Now I've got a reason. There's some value. So again... no value to -you- specifically != no value. > Considering that as far as CF is > concerned, we are the marketing team since they can't seem to have the > drive > to market it themselves, making us happy is a good idea. We are the ones > that suggest CF to clients and employers. We are the ones that push for > upgrades. Adobe makes lots money from our actions. > I agree that there have been issues with marketing CF. For years I'd have loved to have seen a CF ad in a trade magazine that promoted CF to developers of other languages. But do you not see the marketing effort here? Cross promoting FlashBuilder to CF developers, and CF to Flex developers (who may be PHP or Java or Ruby people)? There's value in that effort. It may not work, but I applaud the effort. People seem to keep coming back to, "Adobe needs to take care of us to grow the community". I don't get that. If they take care of us they keep the community content, but it doesn't grow. We're still going to push CF to clients and employers. You might stop doing so because you're upset about the fact that the CFBuilder pricing isn't catered to your needs... a handful of others might as well. But I'd venture to guess that it won't be a statistically significant amount of people. CF server is the product we use and love. A number of us will shell out the $300 for CFBuilder -and- FlashBuilder. A number of us will continue to use CFEclipse or TextMate or Coda or BBEdit or... I just don't think anybody's getting screwed here. If anything, people are getting something for nothing. If you don't want what they're offering for nothing, you're not getting screwed. You're no worse off than you were yesterday. -- Charlie Griefer http://charlie.griefer.com/ I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332077 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
