-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 28 March 2014 18:41
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

>>I've got bad news for you. Stick this in Google:
>>[product] default vulnerability
>>and prepare to be amazed. Some suggestions: PHP, IIS, Apache. Not all
allow remote users to execute arbitrary code, but plenty do.

I get it.  Because other technologies and applications are bad it's fine for
CF to be bad, too.  Regardless of how much we have to pay for it.

>>I submit to you that it should not be surprising that products explicitly
designed for security purposes, like firewalls and VPNs, will be expected to
be secure by default.

"I submit to you", LOL.  Awesome.  So, a business invests in all of the
security available, such as firewalls, only to have CF open the gates  What
a brilliant piece of logic.  I submit to you, that's screwed up.

> The notion that it's the sys admins fault if a product installs in an 
> unsecure way beggers belief.

>>No, that's not the sysadmins' fault. But leaving a product at the default
install state on an untrusted network - that IS the sysadmins'
>>fault. How is a sysadmin going to make sure that the developers'
>>applications are secured properly, if he doesn't know enough to secure the
one web application that's packaged with the product?

The long list of security measures that have to take place after a standard
CF install are ridiculous.  Believe it or not, sys admins have better things
to do with their time.  

Dave, I suggest you wander down to your corporate IT department and offer to
help them out for a few days so you get a taste of reality.

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