Andrew, I not sure if anyone here has tried it yet but where you say:
"But that is the reality, I doubt we will ever look for a Coldfusion > developer to come on board. Because of the fact we are Java > primarily, with > a few clients still being maintained in CF. Only because we have gone > enterprise, and the tools we use can't be fitted into Coldfusion in > its current shape." I say what about BPEL (Business Process Execution Language)? It is designed just for this purpose, that is plugging in external services, sometimes legacy. Check this link out [online] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/livecycle/articles/bpel4people_overview.html One of the points at the bottom of the page "Portability - The ability to take design-time artifacts created in one vendor's environment and use them in another vendor's environment." I think that coldfusion is getting ready for a take of with agile development in mind, although people do need to be trained with the knowledge of the tool at Universities. But keeping in mind coldfusion is just an abstraction of Java which is taught. Cheers Patrick McGLYNN On 08/04/2008, at 10:11 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: > > Agreed, > > I had this debate with Sean Corfield awhile ago when I got back into > developing Coldfusion, after a 2 year break. And the first thing > that I had > noticed along the way was that even though as pointed out, > Coldfusion can be > gotten up and running very quickly. > > There is not enough who actually are software engineers, meaning > that it > places a bigger hole in the market. > > It is a catch 22 for most of the people who do pick up Coldfusion > and find > how easy it is, and find that they are better off along the php, > or .Net > route. > > I sometimes sit back and watch a project go through its DLC here, > under java > and find that even though it gets delivered on time and budget. The > amount > of work sometimes done for the project, and think how quickly it > could have > been done in Coldfusion. > > But that is the reality, I doubt we will ever look for a Coldfusion > developer to come on board. Because of the fact we are Java > primarily, with > a few clients still being maintained in CF. Only because we have gone > enterprise, and the tools we use can't be fitted into Coldfusion in > its > current shape. > > > > Andrew Scott > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 9015 8628 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > Of KC Kuok > Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:25 AM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > not FUD > from them too? > > > Hi Barry, > > I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out. > But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will > be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as > extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few > factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF- > ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code > in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough > companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF > experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business > decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/ > contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool > of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders. > > I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower > pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3) > review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no > matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only > big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually > not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined > in Australia while others continue to grow. > > Just my 2 cents :) > > On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who >> straight-up said that CF was on the way out. >> >> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill >> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill >> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting >> business) in CFML. >> >> sigh... > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
