I see what your saying. But to be more precise, company B insisted on a reference, so I eventually gave them the telephone number of the company I worked for, when company B called they got reception, reception put them through to Miss X, Miss X did the damage.
It was a no win situation 1. I could have not given company B the telephone number of Company X, which I guess would make them suspicious and not hire me 2. I do give the telephone number to Company B which I did, and lost as well... Anyway, it really was not my intention to start a long discussion about who is right and what exactly happened (if anyone is really interested in what EXACTLY happened, I have a document here that I can send you ;-) I was merely trying to get some feedback on whether I should take it further and have any change of getting anywhere. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CFAussie Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Re: [OT] Question: Work Related > In all seriousness this time - it can be considered bad form to give a reference to > someone you haven't asked first. > > Could be considered worse form to give them as a reference, even after they > have said no to you. > > - Considering they said that they had already said that they wouldn't give you a > reference (or anyone?), are you all that surprised that it turned out badly? > > I always have asked references if they mind first, and I usually shoot off an email > to them if I've got a job interview, just so they know they may recieve a phone call. > > IMHO anyways. > > Mark > > > > Fuzion - CFAussie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As far as I am aware, if someone has not concented to having > > themselves > > as a referee and have not given you a reference, they can say > > whatever > > they want about you. > > > > Darryl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Posted At: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 9:02 AM > > Posted To: CFAussie > > Conversation: [cfaussie] Re: Re: [OT] Question: Work Related > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Re: [OT] Question: Work Related > > > > > > I wish it was so, actually you are partially right, when I first > > asked > > for a reference I was told exactly what you just said "They don't > > give > > out references" however company B insisted on a reference, so I gave > > them a contact number. and this contact gave a reference after all, > > although it was a bad one.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Dickinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CFAussie Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:25 AM > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Re: [OT] Question: Work Related > > > > > > > Here's a point which I'm surprised no-one has mentioned yet. > > > > > > Basically, very few employer actually take note of references. > > > > > > These days, more and more companies shy away from giving > > references. > > > One of my previous employers, when asked for a reference, would say > > > > > only that the person worked for them, for what period, and in what > > > capacity. They were terrified of the legal consequences of doing > > > otherwise. > > > > > > Quite a few employers realize this, and don't even ask for refs. > > > > > > Other employers, or even recruiters, really prefer to trust their > > gut > > > reaction to you during the interview, and are either prepared to > > > disregard what anyone else may say/think. In my five years hanging > > > around the IT Scene here in Sydney, I've been astonished how > > prevalent > > > > > this attitude is. > > > > > > And even when employers/recruiters ask for references, you'd be > > > astonished how rarely they actually go to the trouble of checking > > > them. I used to have a short list of people, who were also trusted > > > friends (very helpful > > > !) whose names I regularly gave out as referees. Every now and > > then, > > I'd > > > ask who or how many people contacted them. The answer was usually > > > .......... you guessed it ....... no-one. > > > > > > If there is a moral to this ramble, it is ....... don't stress > > about > > > references. 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