While I really liked Sean's description of MXML with the potential it may
hold (and I subsequently read the article he referred to) I have to hitch
a ride with Tim on this.....

> ....can do already in HTML (ok and maybe a bit of javascript).

I agree.  MM need better apps to sell these concepts.  Admittedly, there
are trying to get people involved in the Beta program but it is why I
asked my question about "how sexy" the Flash applications will look.
Because, if they just only look like a HTML form, then what value am I
really getting if I have to learn a new schema (as Mike mentioned) if I
can't really leverage that new knowledge across multiple platforms?

As some on this list will know, I have continued to play "devils advocate"
where Flash "Applications" are concerned.  And I am still waiting to see
that killer application that provides so many more benefits than a "web
application" to sell me on the concept.

Don't get me wrong.  I am not critical of "Flash" as a technology, or of
the development tools, or of ActionScript, of even of anything that people
DO build with it.  I am critical of one tool being marketted as the
be-all-and-end-all of programming tools.

I have seen some really nice things done in Flash.  But nothing that I
would call an "application" and nothing that really needed to be on the
"internet" and nothing that provided any greater "richness" than what you
could provide using DHTML/CSS.  And I haven't seen any statistical
information regarding the amount of time it took to build in Flash VS
DHTML/CSS (by people highly proficient in both technologies).

> MM got rightly criticised last year....

And it will probably happen again.  While I think the technology is very
kewl, it would need some serious "problem solving" examples to sell our
organisation on a licence for a FLEX server (whatever it costs - because
we just wouldn't invest the time to learn it, even if it was free, if it
didn't solve some significant business problems).

> .... But it's still not all that "rich" is it?

"Rich" is a relative term.  And I don't like it's use as a buzzword.  You
can have a "non fancy" user interface to a very "rich" application. "Rich"
can mean "It does everything I want now and is capable of doing everything
I want in the future".  Or it may may "I get all these fancy looking
gadgets to do some very simple tasks that don't really make anything
easier but earn the programmers more money".

It's so subjective.




Gary Menzel
Web Development Manager
IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited
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