RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie

Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:21:30 -0700

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Really 18 years ago they didn't even discover HYPP it was around 91-92 that it was brought out about Impressive genes.  Paints are qh's with color that were excluded from the AQHA books many years ago so they started their own registry.
 
HYPP is more common than you know and if you don' t know and have the test for HYPP most people would never know or guess because a horse can be asymptomatic and still be a genetic carrier.  I think the bigger breeders are not doing this since they now have to have genetic typing and evidence of non-hypp in order to register quarter horses with the AQHA.  As of 2007, no hypp horses will be allowed to be registered.  That doesn't mean they won't breed them but they will be grade horses and that means to most people less money cause the horse is not "registered" or "papered"  To those of us who care less about breed shows it may not matter.  But then again I buy the horses and not the papers.
 
HYPP horses if they are asymptomatic are not useless as riding horses and may never have an HYPP episode.  Most owners don't know.  They still make good riding horses... They should not be bred.  Also they also tend to exhibit little quirky behaviors that sometimes identify them as Impressive bred horses.  You can do some research on that.
 
HYPP is a deficiency in the potasium transfer at the cell level.  HYPP horses can be fed a certain diet to limit the potential risks.  Some may never have an episode or seizure... others may. 
 
Today's show are so competitive... there are alot of horses out there but the majority and more than the majority won't cut it at the shows these days.  The days of taking your horse out of your "backyard" and going to a show are over... unless its a speed event where only the clock is the judge.  The pleasure and riding classes are so competitive even at small local shows that the yahoos and backyard people show up once and then never come back because they just can't compete.  My horses could show at breed shows but I don't want to travel, pay excessive fees and like the convenience of the local shows ... so my horses are really great quality and win everything in sight at the local shows when they could perhaps not win on a higher level but would be very competitive.
 
A lot of the people showing national halter horses... have the money to campaign their horses and its important WHO is on the end of the lead line even sometimes more so than the quality of the horse being shown.  Breed shows are the "good ole boys" network sad to say.
 
Nonnie
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie

I really hate the term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing to me
what that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses
breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that surgically
correct defects to show there dogs. I am also a horse breeder of
halter horses so I do know what you are saying about HYPP in the
quarter horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about the
HYPP issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be shown. To
lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any HYPP
horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago. He was
symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have HYPP horses
and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is not common in
backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known breeders. They
just insure the horses and collect when they die just to buy more
horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they purposely
breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all show
quality. Then they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous in my
opinion. I have never bought a horse from a big named halter breeder.
I am not sure I ever would. There is just to much that I know they do
to the horses to win. If backyard breeders are just doing it for the
money then big time breeders are doing it for even more money. I
think there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard that
will never be shown because they just are not into showing, the
politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a small
percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that they are not
show quality. I have also seen so horses in the top ten stallions
that never should be there. They are there only because the owners
have money and can hirer the right trainer and take them to enough
shows. I have always trained and shown my own horses. I have done
good and I have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the
horse. There is just to much politics in a halter class. So in many
ways show records do not mean much to me. I do have show records on
most of my horses. My best mare does not have a show record. She does
not even look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is
very foundation looking. Not like the modern halter horse at all. She
produces the most gorgeous foals. If I was not a backyard breeder 20
years ago I might not never known that I had a great mare. She was in
heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her. She was just
my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I rode her down to a breeding
farm that had a nice Paint Stallion I thought would cross good on
her. He also did not have to much of a show career do to injury, but
his babies where doing good at the shows. My foal was one of his best
ever. That let me know what I had if I breed her to the right
stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and learned
to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several State
Champions out of her and her foals. I have now raised 6 generation of
foals. Some people might call me a backyard breeder because I don't
have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many
years of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions foals
are twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of dollars on
stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the quality
I get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye for
it. In someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer. She
passed this on to her foals.

Back to dogs. I do know the breeder of Drake did produce a dog with a
great personality and temperament. She did give him a full series of
vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him. He
was in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the breeder.
I did meet the older daughters who sold him at the grocery store.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
>
> anyone can create any registry and it doesn't matter. its the
quality of
> the dog and its background that is important. I could care less
what
> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be registered as
quality
> anyways. I think a dog should have to pass genetic testing and
physical
> traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot of
the
> backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think because
a dog is
> registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its a piece
of paper
> that's all.
>
> At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something. As of
2007
> they will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means you
darn well
> better test the parents before you breed if you expect ot have a
registered
> quarter horse.
>
> Nonnie
>
> PS Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and puppy
millers
> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are trying to
improve
> the breed. A lot of people who breed don't have a pot to piss in
> financially and keep saying that they can't afford this or that but
they are
> still breeding puppies... makes you know why ... its because they
sell them
> and make money inspite of what they say.
>
> I call a spade a spade
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On
> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
>
>
>
> > whether
> CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to, lol. I prefer
the
> AKC, but am considering dual registering my AKC's because it seems
most
> people are wanting
> CKC these days.
>
> So maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My first chi
> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a puppy mill. I
didn't
> know then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful
years and
> I wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your baby,
> forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future you have
with
> him!
> :-)
>
> My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a
Husky/wolf mix
> that they adore! Like you, I never leave them unattended...why take
> chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time, I
don't
> worry a bit when the chis are outside playing with the big dogs.
The only
> thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of the
yard...they
> both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything and
loves to
> get the others in trouble, lol.
>
> Marsha

>

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