and day on the dot. He lived on Karol syrup. He was trained but I never felt safe on him. One thing many people don't tell you is you can't get after a horse like this. Try ridding a two year old that you can't get after at all. The stress of discipline brought an attack on. You could not put him in a trailer or wash rack without bringing an attack on. I felt like he needed to be put in a plastic bubble and protected from the outside world. I was so stressed from waiting for him to die that I ended up selling him. I loved that horse so much but I could not take it day after day. I thought I would keep him to his dying day but I did not have enough guts at the time. I did find him a good home. I also made them research before buy him from me. They wanted him the minute they seen him. I told them I wanted them to really think about it first. I made them wait one week and gave them stuff to read up on HYPP. I also know of many of my friends horses that never had a symptom before and they would find them dead in the stalls. You wonder was this there first attack or did they just miss the symptoms. I was told each time they have an attack it does weaken there heart. I don't know one person that has breed a HYPP horse in resent times that did not breed for the disease. They want it. It makes bigger muscles. It is a genetic freak that people think is pretty.
People say that halter horses can't ride. Mine can do anything. It is me that is to fat to ride right now. Carol --- In [email protected], "Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Really 18 years ago they didn't even discover HYPP it was around 91- 92 that > it was brought out about Impressive genes. Paints are qh's with color that > were excluded from the AQHA books many years ago so they started their own > registry. > > HYPP is more common than you know and if you don' t know and have the test > for HYPP most people would never know or guess because a horse can be > asymptomatic and still be a genetic carrier. I think the bigger breeders > are not doing this since they now have to have genetic typing and evidence > of non-hypp in order to register quarter horses with the AQHA. As of 2007, > no hypp horses will be allowed to be registered. That doesn't mean they > won't breed them but they will be grade horses and that means to most people > less money cause the horse is not "registered" or "papered" To those of us > who care less about breed shows it may not matter. But then again I buy the > horses and not the papers. > > HYPP horses if they are asymptomatic are not useless as riding horses and > may never have an HYPP episode. Most owners don't know. They still make > good riding horses... They should not be bred. Also they also tend to > exhibit little quirky behaviors that sometimes identify them as Impressive > bred horses. You can do some research on that. > > HYPP is a deficiency in the potasium transfer at the cell level. HYPP > horses can be fed a certain diet to limit the potential risks. Some may > never have an episode or seizure... others may. > > Today's show are so competitive... there are alot of horses out there but > the majority and more than the majority won't cut it at the shows these > days. The days of taking your horse out of your "backyard" and going to a > show are over... unless its a speed event where only the clock is the judge. > The pleasure and riding classes are so competitive even at small local shows > that the yahoos and backyard people show up once and then never come back > because they just can't compete. My horses could show at breed shows but I > don't want to travel, pay excessive fees and like the convenience of the > local shows ... so my horses are really great quality and win everything in > sight at the local shows when they could perhaps not win on a higher level > but would be very competitive. > > A lot of the people showing national halter horses... have the money to > campaign their horses and its important WHO is on the end of the lead line > even sometimes more so than the quality of the horse being shown. Breed > shows are the "good ole boys" network sad to say. > > Nonnie > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Carol > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:26 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > I really hate the term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing to me > what that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses > breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that surgically > correct defects to show there dogs. I am also a horse breeder of > halter horses so I do know what you are saying about HYPP in the > quarter horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about the > HYPP issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be shown. To > lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any HYPP > horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago. He was > symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have HYPP horses > and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is not common in > backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known breeders. They > just insure the horses and collect when they die just to buy more > horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they purposely > breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all show > quality. Then they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous in my > opinion. I have never bought a horse from a big named halter breeder. > I am not sure I ever would. There is just to much that I know they do > to the horses to win. If backyard breeders are just doing it for the > money then big time breeders are doing it for even more money. I > think there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard that > will never be shown because they just are not into showing, the > politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a small > percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that they are not > show quality. I have also seen so horses in the top ten stallions > that never should be there. They are there only because the owners > have money and can hirer the right trainer and take them to enough > shows. I have always trained and shown my own horses. I have done > good and I have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the > horse. There is just to much politics in a halter class. So in many > ways show records do not mean much to me. I do have show records on > most of my horses. My best mare does not have a show record. She does > not even look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is > very foundation looking. Not like the modern halter horse at all. She > produces the most gorgeous foals. If I was not a backyard breeder 20 > years ago I might not never known that I had a great mare. She was in > heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her. She was just > my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I rode her down to a breeding > farm that had a nice Paint Stallion I thought would cross good on > her. He also did not have to much of a show career do to injury, but > his babies where doing good at the shows. My foal was one of his best > ever. That let me know what I had if I breed her to the right > stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and learned > to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several State > Champions out of her and her foals. I have now raised 6 generation of > foals. Some people might call me a backyard breeder because I don't > have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many > years of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions foals > are twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of dollars on > stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the quality > I get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye for > it. In someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer. She > passed this on to her foals. > > Back to dogs. I do know the breeder of Drake did produce a dog with a > great personality and temperament. She did give him a full series of > vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him. He > was in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the breeder. > I did meet the older daughters who sold him at the grocery store. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, > "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote: > > > > anyone can create any registry and it doesn't matter. its the > quality of > > the dog and its background that is important. I could care less > what > > registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be registered as > quality > > anyways. I think a dog should have to pass genetic testing and > physical > > traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot of > the > > backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think because > a dog is > > registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its a piece > of paper > > that's all. > > > > At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something. As of > 2007 > > they will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means you > darn well > > better test the parents before you breed if you expect ot have a > registered > > quarter horse. > > > > Nonnie > > > > PS Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and puppy > millers > > never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are trying to > improve > > the breed. A lot of people who breed don't have a pot to piss in > > financially and keep saying that they can't afford this or that but > they are > > still breeding puppies... makes you know why ... its because they > sell them > > and make money inspite of what they say. > > > > I call a spade a spade > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > > > > > > whether > > CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to, lol. I prefer > the > > AKC, but am considering dual registering my AKC's because it seems > most > > people are wanting > > CKC these days. > > > > So maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My first chi > > didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a puppy mill. I > didn't > > know then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful > years and > > I wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your baby, > > forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future you have > with > > him! > > :-) > > > > My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a > Husky/wolf mix > > that they adore! Like you, I never leave them unattended...why take > > chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time, I > don't > > worry a bit when the chis are outside playing with the big dogs. > The only > > thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of the > yard...they > > both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything and > loves to > > get the others in trouble, lol. > > > > Marsha > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. 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