Just curious, with these larger females/smaller males, don't breeders get a lot of oversized Chis? The mother must pass on something to the pups. I would think that size ( of momma and daddy) would be something that can be passed on to some pups??? Maybe that's why we've ended up with so many oversized Chihuahuas out there. Just wondering because I have never heard of a show breeder breeding a female over 6 pounds. Stefanie
--- On Wed, 11/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A Litter? To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:14 PM right....we do strive to improve the standards... .which is why we use smaller males to bring the size of the pups down within range. The AKC standards call for 6 pounds or less. We try to produce pups that are 6 pounds or less (but the bigger ones are still chis!) BUT, we were not talking about the pups produced, we were talking about the momma's that produce those pups. Often times, the mommas do NOT meet the size standards. But that is ok because the pups they produce do. Using a bigger momma to produce the standard meeting sizes, is safer.....the smaller the momma the bigger the chance of c-sections and complications. I think I am just not explaining myself well because I used a word that threw you when I first started. I used the word standard, but I was using it in a different form than what you were taking it as. so let me try again using a better word, lol. Starting all over.....the AKC standards call for a chi to be 6 pounds or less. That is what we try to produce. However, it is a NORM (?) to use a bigger than 6 pounds momma to breed. It is not unusual, is common, is acceptable (any of those work? lol) to use 6 to 8 pounds female for breeding purposes. Many of these 6 to 8 pound mommmas produce great show dogs. When bred to the right male, these 6 to 8 pound mommas produce pups that mature at less than 6 pounds. Any other breeders out there who can help me out....I fear I have done such a bad job explaing that I have totally confused everyone, lol. Marsha > Oh ok. I just read a lot and one of the things I have been told over and > over is that breeders should breed to the standard which is set by AKC > and the chi breeder's club. I know that a lot of people don't breed to > improve the breed but breed out of love for the dog. Thanks for > answering > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A > Litter? > > 6 pounds is the AKC breed standard. Not Breeding standard, but breed > standard.... in other words the standard for the breed. You can not show > a dog over 6 pounds. However, when I said the standard for breeding, > what I meant is the average that breeders use to breed/reproduce. 6 to 8 > pounds is a pretty "standard", ei common/normal/ average , size of > females in a breeding program. Looks like we were talking about two > different things, lol Marsha > > >> Here is what I got from the breed standard website It is not 5 pounds >> but 6 pounds. I will have to watch closer because I have never seen a >> show chi over 6 pounds. >> >> >> ******"Size, Proportion, Substance >> Weight – A well balanced little dog not to exceed 6 pounds. Proportion >> – The body is off-square; hence, slightly longer when measured from >> point of shoulder to point of buttocks, than height at the withers. >> Somewhat shorter bodies are preferred in males. Disqualification – Any >> dog over 6 pounds in weight." ************ ********* ***** >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] >> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:23 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A >> Litter? >> >> no, not realy. I mean 5 pounds will be bred by most breeders if that >> is what they have...it isn't considered too small....but a whole lot >> of our breeding females are more in the 6 to 8 pound range. Even if >> you look at the dame of a lot of show dogs, you will find the dames >> are over the 6 pound limit. Good breeders often use larger females and >> smaller males to bring the pup size down with the male, but assure a >> safe delivery with the female. I'm not sayimg all the breeding females >> are this big, but it is not at all unusual. Also, if you look at the >> champion pedigrees of many pups, you will find the majority of the >> champions are on the sires side....this is because often the females >> being used are bigger than allowed in shows. It is simply a safety > measure. >> >> Marsha >> >>> I thought the standard for breeding was 5 pounds >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] >>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] org >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:26 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A >>> Litter? >>> >>> I am not sure how big Cindy's Cowdog is, but my Cayenne is about 6 >>> pounds.Cowdog maybe a little bigger, but no, not much. They are >>> pretty standard is sizes for what most of us use for breeding.... . >>> Marsha >>> >>>> Wow! 7 and 14 pups! How big is Cayenne and Cindy's momma Chi? Are >>>> they big Chihuahuas? >>>> Stefanie >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 11/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] org <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] How Many Pups Can A Chihuahua Have In A >>>> Litter? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com >>>> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:01 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That doesn't make a lot of sense....Cayenne gave birth to seven pups >>>> almost 3 months ago.....and if I am not mistaken, Cindy's chi had >>>> 14 two years ago.....sounds like maybe we need to report births >>>> more then, lol Marsha >>>> >>>>> The answer is here ! Enjoy....... ......... ......... .... Mare >>>>> >>>>> http://www.dogsinth enews.com/ issues/0211/ articles/ 021125a.htm >>>> >>>> This email contains correspondence from an attorney and may contain >>>> privileged information. If you are not the intended receipient, >>>> please delete. >>>> >>>> Do not tell god how big your storm is. Tell the storm how big your >>>> God is. >>>> >>>> http://taylorstots. tripod.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email contains correspondence from an attorney and may contain >>> privileged information. 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