And may also account for Wagner's 'lute' in Die Meistersinger. The opening notes are a rising arpeggio of EADGBE - a mandora in E?
Rob On 27/03/2008, Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martyn Hodgson wrote: > > > The 18thC Mandora (aka Gallichon - various cognates) was also tuned > > in E as well as D. > > This of course means that the modern guitar tuning was already common - > or at least fairly well known - as a lute tuning before it was used for > the guitar. > > Among other things that gives a whole new perspective to the late > 19th/early 20th C. German "Wandervogel-laute." Usually it's been > shrugged off as just a silly attempt to give the guitar some fake > pedigree by making it look like a lute. Now it turns out a virtually > identical instrument existed even as early as the 17th century. > Is there any evidence of such an instrument from he early 19th century? > > > The large continuo gallichon was tuned in A (ie with first course > as the > > top line of the bass clef) so 886 cm is by no means too large. > > Sorry I misunderstood Barber there. I thought he meant an octave higher. > > > Despite Barber's statement that the Schorn is the only extant large > > galichon in A, there are, in fact, a number of others > > Is there any evidence that Tielke made such instruments? > > > The Mandora/Gallichon should, however, not be confused with the 18thC > > Italian lute > > Could you tell us a bit more about the difference? The description you > give seems to fit the galichon fairly well. > > > My view is that these are, indeed, simply continuations of the old lute > > (in nominal G or A depending on local pitch) and played accompanied from > > staff notation (like the late archlute of Dalla Casa) but without the > > complication (for amatuers) of the extra open basses. > > I would assume that professionals would also occasionally prefer this > more portable alternative to the arhclute and theorbe. > > > I'm currently developing a paper on this. > > Please let us know when and where you publish! > > > Frank Nordberg > http://www.musicaviva.com > http://stores.ebay.com/Nordbergs-Music-Store?refid=store > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
