Hi, Cheryl,
        No worries about my name; am used to getting it mangled <VBG>  I think
the post that you are referring to is this one that I wrote:

> Some of us are still owner handling the "natural" (but well conditioned
> and groomed!) exhibits with pride.  There is something more to do than
> to hope; one can compile a list of judges whose opinion of the breed is
> valuable to get and avoid showing to those who are not reading the
> standard or ignoring it.  There are a number of "unknowns" still, so
> plenty of judges under whom to show. As we are showing a ruby now <vbg>,
> there are judges who don't even look at our wholecolor, and we have
> noted that information.  Eventually, we will have seen most judges out
> there and know a bit about them.  Those who know the breed standard and
> who judge the correct end of the lead will get more entries.  For
> example, there is one breeder judge who rarely ventures to the east
> coast, but when she does, she gets a larger entry than any judge at that
> given cluster in our breed.  There are several AKC judges who I would go
> a long way to show under; I've had nothing but good feelings about their
> lineups; even when they didn't place me.  Some of these judges are
> already getting recognized with more presitigious assignments in our
> breed/group.

As I mentioned, we are showing a wholecolor now, and the judges who like
what we are showing may not be the ones who like what you are showing.
I do take notes on judges and don't show to those who I feel are looking
for a less "natural" dog. (Lately, I also note those who won't look at a
wholecolor). My suggestion was that anyone showing should take their own
notes, in order to determine whose opinion is important to them.  We are
really paying for the opinion of the judges under whom we show.
        As it stands, I don't have a "database" of judges , but rather a lot of
notes in catalogs.  I'll then compare those notes after we've given a
judge a chance, to results on Infodog and see what other dogs he/she has
put up that are like mine in "style".  I suppose I should get more
formally organized about this at some point. Now that I'm learning
Breedmate I've noticed that one can keep show notes there.

And the rest of it is luck of the draw.


Suze at Llawen Cavaliers



Dave Van Winkle wrote:
>
> Sorry but I misspelled Suze's last name. Got it mixed up with her email
> address! She did write me and said it was her.
> Cheryl
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Futcher
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:26 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Judges
> >
> >
> > Actually, it was Dave Wagner, I think. Also, I'm used to people
> > misspelling (and pronouncing! <G>) my last name and will say on
> > behalf of Suze that Suze's is Schlenger.
> >   Best,
> > ~Robyn Futcher
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave Van Winkle
> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:14 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Judges
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> > It was Suze Schwegen email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cheryl Van Winkle
> > Portrait Cavaliers
> > >
> > >
> > > <<<I have lost the email from the person who has the data about the
> > > different judges; what they like or dislike>>>
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like that one too please.  Thanks!
> > >
> > >
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