Actually there was someone else who wrote to Dave at Knight Mist Cavaliers
who said they had actually done a graph of the different judges. Will that
individual please come forward and tell us who you are...I will have to go
back into old files otherwise...:-) Dave thought it was you Suze. I'll try
to go back and see if I may have printed it out.
Thanks anyway,
Cheryl Van Winkle
Portrait Cavaliers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Susan A. Schlenger
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 9:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Judges
>
>
> Hi, Cheryl,
> No worries about my name; am used to getting it mangled
> <VBG> I think
> the post that you are referring to is this one that I wrote:
>
> > Some of us are still owner handling the "natural" (but well conditioned
> > and groomed!) exhibits with pride. There is something more to do than
> > to hope; one can compile a list of judges whose opinion of the breed is
> > valuable to get and avoid showing to those who are not reading the
> > standard or ignoring it. There are a number of "unknowns" still, so
> > plenty of judges under whom to show. As we are showing a ruby now <vbg>,
> > there are judges who don't even look at our wholecolor, and we have
> > noted that information. Eventually, we will have seen most judges out
> > there and know a bit about them. Those who know the breed standard and
> > who judge the correct end of the lead will get more entries. For
> > example, there is one breeder judge who rarely ventures to the east
> > coast, but when she does, she gets a larger entry than any judge at that
> > given cluster in our breed. There are several AKC judges who I would go
> > a long way to show under; I've had nothing but good feelings about their
> > lineups; even when they didn't place me. Some of these judges are
> > already getting recognized with more presitigious assignments in our
> > breed/group.
>
> As I mentioned, we are showing a wholecolor now, and the judges who like
> what we are showing may not be the ones who like what you are showing.
> I do take notes on judges and don't show to those who I feel are looking
> for a less "natural" dog. (Lately, I also note those who won't look at a
> wholecolor). My suggestion was that anyone showing should take their own
> notes, in order to determine whose opinion is important to them. We are
> really paying for the opinion of the judges under whom we show.
> As it stands, I don't have a "database" of judges , but
> rather a lot of
> notes in catalogs. I'll then compare those notes after we've given a
> judge a chance, to results on Infodog and see what other dogs he/she has
> put up that are like mine in "style". I suppose I should get more
> formally organized about this at some point. Now that I'm learning
> Breedmate I've noticed that one can keep show notes there.
>
> And the rest of it is luck of the draw.
>
>
> Suze at Llawen Cavaliers
>
>
>
> Dave Van Winkle wrote:
> >
> > Sorry but I misspelled Suze's last name. Got it mixed up with her email
> > address! She did write me and said it was her.
> > Cheryl
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Futcher
> > > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:26 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Judges
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, it was Dave Wagner, I think. Also, I'm used to people
> > > misspelling (and pronouncing! <G>) my last name and will say on
> > > behalf of Suze that Suze's is Schlenger.
> > > Best,
> > > ~Robyn Futcher
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dave Van Winkle
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:14 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Judges
> > >
> > > It was Suze Schwegen email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cheryl Van Winkle
> > > Portrait Cavaliers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <<<I have lost the email from the person who has the data about the
> > > > different judges; what they like or dislike>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd like that one too please. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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