At 03:41 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Suze - > What you wrote about the commercial code and co-ownerships is very >interesting. I've been arguing the other side of this for the past couple >days but now I'll tell you what is wrong with the "lien" set-up after full >ownership by the new buyer/future breeder. > When a litter is bred from a co-owned bitch and a puppy returned, >the original breeder not only gets a puppy, he gets a puppy listing him as >co-breeder. That means it can be shown in bred-by-exhibitor class and if it >gets a championship, it is one more champion that breeder can claim to have >bred. Breeding champions means as much if not more than owning champions. > In my opinion, if you want a puppy back from a bitch you "sell", >it is more fair to sell the bitch for a much lower price or better still, >take no money. Just have a co-ownership until you get your puppy. You are >giving a puppy and getting a puppy so financially you are even. The other >way, you are getting paid twice, once with money and once with a puppy and >I agree with Dave - that makes the original purchase VERY expensive. > Julie > >At 01:43 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi, Dave and List, >> The buyer THINKS that they are paying a couple of thousand >>dollars for >>the puppy. In actual fact, if most arrangements are interpreting by a >>court of law, a "co-ownership" is a "one divided one half interest" in >>the pup. Therefore, if the co-own must be dissolved, the pup is >>actually interpreted to be worth FOUR thousand dollars. There IS a >>better way to do this legally for those who want a puppy back. You can >>write a contract in which title to the bitch passes to the buyer and a >>lien on the puppy exists. THEN the whole originally puppy belongs to >>the buyer, but the progeny has a lien on it until satisfied. >> A lien like this is NOT new law. This is NOT unusual. This is the >>Uniform Commercial Code and anyone who wanted to research it to put a >>contract could find it instead of the "co-ownership" which has proved >>more problematic to both dog clubs than any other matter. This is why >>the AKC website WARNS against them. >> A "co-ownership" is meant to be JUST THAT. Two people owning a dog >>together. One half of the equity is vested in each "co-owner". Buyer >>beware. >> >> >>Suze >> >>Dave Wagner wrote: >> > Whats in it for the buyer? Lets see ... they get to pay a couple of >>thousand dollars for a puppy, the breeder gets the best puppy or puppies >>from the litter (another couple of thousand dollar value not to mention >>non-monetary value) and the breeder gets to dictate who you breed to and >>sometimes when. Whats in it for the buyer is the better questoin? Maybe >>a couple of litters later if they are lucky they get to keep a good puppy >>that they actually own? This is ridiculous, however many people fall >>into this ridiculous trap each day. There is a tight group who preach >>this is the only way you can get a good dog to try to increase the >>pressure for people to go this route and many horror stories from people >>who fell vicitm. >> >>========================================================= >>"Magic Commands": >>to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >>to start it up gain click here: >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL >> >> E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >>Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html >> >>All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > >E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. >
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