Julie, Was this to explain why people ask for puppies back? Just wondering since nothing else was said!
Anyway, I certainly have my own opinion on why it is done. But I want some of the breeders who do this to tell us WHY they do it in their own words. Maybe we are all missing something? I think it is only fair to hear their side of the story. Laura Trunk Roycroft Cavaliers original post left intact purposefully ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Sturman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] co-ownership > At 03:41 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Dear Suze - > > What you wrote about the commercial code and co-ownerships is very > >interesting. I've been arguing the other side of this for the past couple > >days but now I'll tell you what is wrong with the "lien" set-up after full > >ownership by the new buyer/future breeder. > > When a litter is bred from a co-owned bitch and a puppy returned, > >the original breeder not only gets a puppy, he gets a puppy listing him as > >co-breeder. That means it can be shown in bred-by-exhibitor class and if it > >gets a championship, it is one more champion that breeder can claim to have > >bred. Breeding champions means as much if not more than owning champions. > > In my opinion, if you want a puppy back from a bitch you "sell", > >it is more fair to sell the bitch for a much lower price or better still, > >take no money. Just have a co-ownership until you get your puppy. You are > >giving a puppy and getting a puppy so financially you are even. The other > >way, you are getting paid twice, once with money and once with a puppy and > >I agree with Dave - that makes the original purchase VERY expensive. > > Julie > > > >At 01:43 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>Hi, Dave and List, > >> The buyer THINKS that they are paying a couple of thousand > >>dollars for > >>the puppy. In actual fact, if most arrangements are interpreting by a > >>court of law, a "co-ownership" is a "one divided one half interest" in > >>the pup. Therefore, if the co-own must be dissolved, the pup is > >>actually interpreted to be worth FOUR thousand dollars. There IS a > >>better way to do this legally for those who want a puppy back. You can > >>write a contract in which title to the bitch passes to the buyer and a > >>lien on the puppy exists. THEN the whole originally puppy belongs to > >>the buyer, but the progeny has a lien on it until satisfied. > >> A lien like this is NOT new law. This is NOT unusual. This is the > >>Uniform Commercial Code and anyone who wanted to research it to put a > >>contract could find it instead of the "co-ownership" which has proved > >>more problematic to both dog clubs than any other matter. This is why > >>the AKC website WARNS against them. > >> A "co-ownership" is meant to be JUST THAT. Two people owning a dog > >>together. One half of the equity is vested in each "co-owner". Buyer > >>beware. > >> > >> > >>Suze > >> > >>Dave Wagner wrote: > >> > Whats in it for the buyer? Lets see ... they get to pay a couple of > >>thousand dollars for a puppy, the breeder gets the best puppy or puppies > >>from the litter (another couple of thousand dollar value not to mention > >>non-monetary value) and the breeder gets to dictate who you breed to and > >>sometimes when. Whats in it for the buyer is the better questoin? Maybe > >>a couple of litters later if they are lucky they get to keep a good puppy > >>that they actually own? This is ridiculous, however many people fall > >>into this ridiculous trap each day. 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