Hi Laura and list -
Yes, this was to explain why people who want puppies back want to
keep their names on the papers until after they get their puppy.
I'm sure you've read my previous posts so you know this "pyramid" scheme is
not something I do but I felt I could possibly explain why simply buying a
puppy back doesn't always satisfy all the "needs" of the original breeder.
Julie
At 05:45 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Julie,
>
>Was this to explain why people ask for puppies back? Just wondering since
>nothing else was said!
>
>Anyway, I certainly have my own opinion on why it is done. But I want some
>of the breeders who do this to tell us WHY they do it in their own words.
>Maybe we are all missing something? I think it is only fair to hear their
>side of the story.
>
>Laura Trunk
>Roycroft Cavaliers
>original post left intact purposefully
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Julie Sturman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 5:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] co-ownership
>
>
> > At 03:41 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Dear Suze -
> > > What you wrote about the commercial code and co-ownerships is
>very
> > >interesting. I've been arguing the other side of this for the past couple
> > >days but now I'll tell you what is wrong with the "lien" set-up after
>full
> > >ownership by the new buyer/future breeder.
> > > When a litter is bred from a co-owned bitch and a puppy
>returned,
> > >the original breeder not only gets a puppy, he gets a puppy listing him
>as
> > >co-breeder. That means it can be shown in bred-by-exhibitor class and if
>it
> > >gets a championship, it is one more champion that breeder can claim to
>have
> > >bred. Breeding champions means as much if not more than owning champions.
> > > In my opinion, if you want a puppy back from a bitch you "sell",
> > >it is more fair to sell the bitch for a much lower price or better still,
> > >take no money. Just have a co-ownership until you get your puppy. You are
> > >giving a puppy and getting a puppy so financially you are even. The other
> > >way, you are getting paid twice, once with money and once with a puppy
>and
> > >I agree with Dave - that makes the original purchase VERY expensive.
> > > Julie
> > >
> > >At 01:43 PM 9/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >>Hi, Dave and List,
> > >> The buyer THINKS that they are paying a couple of thousand
> > >>dollars for
> > >>the puppy. In actual fact, if most arrangements are interpreting by a
> > >>court of law, a "co-ownership" is a "one divided one half interest" in
> > >>the pup. Therefore, if the co-own must be dissolved, the pup is
> > >>actually interpreted to be worth FOUR thousand dollars. There IS a
> > >>better way to do this legally for those who want a puppy back. You can
> > >>write a contract in which title to the bitch passes to the buyer and a
> > >>lien on the puppy exists. THEN the whole originally puppy belongs to
> > >>the buyer, but the progeny has a lien on it until satisfied.
> > >> A lien like this is NOT new law. This is NOT unusual. This is
>the
> > >>Uniform Commercial Code and anyone who wanted to research it to put a
> > >>contract could find it instead of the "co-ownership" which has proved
> > >>more problematic to both dog clubs than any other matter. This is why
> > >>the AKC website WARNS against them.
> > >> A "co-ownership" is meant to be JUST THAT. Two people owning a
>dog
> > >>together. One half of the equity is vested in each "co-owner". Buyer
> > >>beware.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Suze
> > >>
> > >>Dave Wagner wrote:
> > >> > Whats in it for the buyer? Lets see ... they get to pay a couple of
> > >>thousand dollars for a puppy, the breeder gets the best puppy or puppies
> > >>from the litter (another couple of thousand dollar value not to mention
> > >>non-monetary value) and the breeder gets to dictate who you breed to and
> > >>sometimes when. Whats in it for the buyer is the better questoin?
>Maybe
> > >>a couple of litters later if they are lucky they get to keep a good
>puppy
> > >>that they actually own? This is ridiculous, however many people fall
> > >>into this ridiculous trap each day. There is a tight group who preach
> > >>this is the only way you can get a good dog to try to increase the
> > >>pressure for people to go this route and many horror stories from people
> > >>who fell vicitm.
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