> There is definitely two types... American and English. I have studied the > ACKCSC; CKCSC,USA; and the CKCSC,UK yearbooks to know that there is a true > difference between ACKCSC and CKCSC type. I've also surmised that the American type is > smaller than the English type... especially in the amount of bone. Also, I > have realized that the AKC judges are looking more at movement and size and > the CKCSC,USA judges (being mostly English breeder judges) concentrate more > on type and head as well as structure and movement... a nice total package :) > If only the AKC judges could attend the CKCSC,USA shows to see what good > type is all about.
Even though this thread was about Goldens when it started, I would like to respond to this. I agree with most of it. There is a difference between the *average* AKC Cavalier and the *average* CKCSC Cavalier, but the good dogs of both are still of a similar type. I, too, find that the average AKC Cavalier is more refined and I also believe it has more leg. Not so sure about a size difference though as CKCSC has been on a small binge of late as well. Since I breed to do well in CKCSC, it is quite hard to also do well in the AKC--at least around here. My dogs have been accused of being too short in leg and being too extreme in the AKC--the same dogs that are considered to excel in type in CKCSC. It would be nice to have a list of judges eligible to judge Cavaliers and invite those judges who live near each CKCSC specialty to attend. We could serve them a meal and have them sit inside the ring and then let them discuss the winners with the judge at the end. Funny thing is though, the AKC judges do a pretty good job when judging CKCSC specialties. Once they are faced with a class of 10-20 Cavaliers they can *see* what the proper type is and are able to judge correctly. But how do we get them to transfer that *eye* to the tiny AKC shows where there may be only 10-15 Cavalier in total, and so many are not typey that they tend to pick the structurally sound Cavaliers that look most like the *average* on the day? It may not be all that easy until there are many more Cavaliers entered at each AKC show. I know of some owner handled CKCSC champions (handled very well) that have an extremely hard time finishing in the AKC, whereas the dogs who do not do as well in CKCSC but are owned and handled by those same people do extremely well in the AKC. Makes it hard to do both and be successful at both. Of course if your area is very strong in dual shown dogs it isn't a problem, but if your area is predominantly AKC only dogs--it is a big problem. Laura Trunk Roycroft Cavaliers ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author.
