"If it is a quote from Renee, it certainly isn't clear." Well, Renee was good enough to clarify it for you. Myra Savant
>From: Jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:46:49 -0500 > >Even me? Oh my. >LOL >So you didn't write...* > > > will no longer want to have him siring puppies for them. Instead of > > > focusing on the great dogs who you say have been maligned over the >years > > > based on hearsay and gossip, I would rather focus on the great dogs >over > >the > > > years who have passed on their bad hearts, crummy hips and other > >genetically > > > transmitted diseases so that generations of their progeny can die >young, > > > live in pain and suffer. * >If it is a quote from Renee it certainly isn't clear. >Jo Ann > > > > > > Joann, you really don't read the posts very carefully. If you re-read >the > > post, even you could tell that I am quoting Renee. So...if you have a > > question about which great dogs??? Maybe you could direct your question >to > > the person who originated the phrase?? Myra Savant > > > > > > > >What "great dogs' are you talking about? > > >Of course you won't say just make cowardly accusations. > > >Jo Ann Carvill > > >BJ Cavaliers > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >www.bjcavaliers.com > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:29 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype > > > > > > > > > > Renee, please don't consider this a flame because I am glad you >posted > > >and > > >I > > > > see the points you are trying to make. Please don't compare people >with > > > > AIDS to dogs. We simply are not dealing with the same problems. A >dog > > >with > > > > a bad heart doesn't lose his job, or the respect and caring of his > > >family > > >or > > > > friends. He isn't even remotely contagious and so that piece of the > > >whole > > > > thing never even comes up. There is no social stigma attached to > > >acquiring > > > > a bad heart as there unfortunately is with AIDS. If a dog with a >bad > > >heart > > > > is publicly known to have a bad heart all that happens to him is >that > > >people > > > > will no longer want to have him siring puppies for them. Instead of > > > > focusing on the great dogs who you say have been maligned over the >years > > > > based on hearsay and gossip, I would rather focus on the great dogs >over > > >the > > > > years who have passed on their bad hearts, crummy hips and other > > >genetically > > > > transmitted diseases so that generations of their progeny can die >young, > > > > live in pain and suffer. If I have to choose between protecting the > > > > reputation of a "great dog who has been maligned" or the puppies >that >I > > >am > > > > responsible for, my puppies and their little tiny hearts win every > > >single > > > > time. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Renee Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype > > > > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:48:57 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >Myra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree that people are more inclined to support a >registry > > >that > > > > > > publishes good news, I still wish that we had an open registry >that > > > > >gives > > > > >us > > > > > > all the known information. By having access to that >information, >we > > > > >could > > > > > > start to piece together the puzzles about carrier status and > > >recessives. > > > > >We > > > > > > would be able to know more about the genetic baggage that our >dogs > > >are > > > > > > carrying. I know that you are correct that if people were > > >mandatorily > > > > > > required to report all of the testing information in any >society, > > >they > > > > > > simply wouldn't test. I'm not sure why that is, but I suppose >it > > >has > > > > > > something to do with the competitive nature of showing dogs for > > >sport. > > > > >All > > > > > > we can do at this point is the best we can do. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I work with clients living with AIDS. If we were to force testing >and > > >open > > > > >reporting, I'm afraid we would have many people refusing to be >tested > > >for > > > > >fear of being "outed" or worse! Just imagine the ramifications of > > >that! > > > > >Now, please don't flame me. I am well aware of the differences >between > > > > >AIDS > > > > >and health testing, with open reporting, of our Cavaliers, but >please > > >just > > > > >think about all the great dogs who have been so maligned over the >years > > > > >based on hearsay and gossip. > > > > > > > > > >IF (and in my mind it's a very big IF), an open registry really was >to > > >be > > > > >used for the good of the breed, I'd support it wholeheartedly. > > >Instead, > > > > >what I (and many of the people I know in this breed) unfortunately >have > > > > >been > > > > >witness--and sometimes recipients--of is more like a witch hunt >when > > > > >someone > > > > >has a problem in the breed. And, it seems that the more successful > > >someone > > > > >is, the more maligned their dogs are. > > > > > > > > > >Again, please don't flame me. I certainly support health testing >and > > >the > > > > >sharing of information for breeding purposes. All I'm saying is an > > >open > > > > >registry as has been suggested is just not realistic. > > > > > > > > > >I also wholeheartedly agree with Janice and the others who made the > > >point > > > > >that just because all results are not in an open database does not >mean > > >we > > > > >don't test. I'm guilty of not sending in heart, eye and knee >results > > >on > > >my > > > > >dogs, too. And, since most of my dogs are under 2 or have just >turned > > >2, > > > > >I'm just starting to do hips. > > > > > > > > > >I would love to see the day when health testing is just done by > > >everyone > > > > >and > > > > >not used as a marketing tool or as a means to imply that someone >else > > >isn't > > > > >part of a "premiere" group of breeders. Maybe there's another >reason > > >test > > > > >results are not being supplied to someone expressing an interest in > > >using > > >a > > > > >dog. Maybe it's their way of saying the dog is not available? > > > > > > > > > >Renee Bruns > > > > >Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > >"Magic Commands": > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > >to start it up gain click here: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original >author. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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