Hi Jo Ann Well, if seeing Cathy's pedigrees can solve the problem of heart disease in cavaliers - me too!
Best Sheena Sheena Stevens Kilnshena Kavaliers Devon, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Automatic digest processor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Recipients of CKCS-L digests <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: CKCS-L Digest - 8 Dec 2001 - Special issue (#2001-803) >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:56:07 -0500 > >There are 6 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue. > >Topics in this special issue: > > 1. heard on the street (2) > 2. genotype v phenotype (2) > 3. Boston Cluster Day One > 4. eyes > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:50:13 -0600 >From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: heard on the street > >Years and years ago a guy tried to convience me that my cavalier was a >Brittany. When I explained to him that he was incorrect he said..... Hell >they >will cross anything now adays.... OH DEAR > >But I have also been told what a pretty Rottie my b/t is and they wanted to >know if it was a dewarf. OH MY > >Cathy J. Gish > >Holli & Nathan wrote: > > > I have heard several times what a cute Brittany puppy Nathan is.. and >then > > when I say, no, he's a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, it's usually > > "Cav-a-what?" > > > > Holli (& Nathan) > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > >-- >http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:09:46 +0000 >From: Sheena Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: genotype v phenotype > >Hi List > >Why is what Laura wrote on genotype v phenotype wrong (or, alternatively, >hogwash)? Everything I've ever read - Padgett, Franklin, Robinson etc - on >genetics describes in words of one syllable the difference between the two, >and gives clear explanations of various styles of breeding programmes one >can follow with indications of what to expect (particularly with Padgett's >notation system) as a result. > >I understand that breeding on genotype can be a long slow upward process, >and too tightly can involve having to cull - not a happy thought and one >that most breeders won't contemplate. IMO rightly, but there are breeders >rumoured to have done it and possibly those that continue to do it. > >Breeding on phenotype can be a lot quicker, with the added advantage of >hybrid vigour, but the disadvantage in succeeding generations of a whole >bunch of genes you might not want. > >So you leave the hard facts of genetics and - whether you like it or not - >you're into the tricky realm of personal preference and list and planet >alike are presumably big enough to encompass the differences, especially at >this time of year. > >Me? I'm still hoping for 'the nick' - the magical mating between two dogs >that produce the most wonderful offspring, whether genotypical or >phenotypical - although my personal preference is to go for the first. > >Best to all > >Sheena > > >Sheena Stevens >Kilnshena Kavaliers >Devon, UK >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:42:49 +0000 >From: Rosemary I H Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: heard on the street > > > > >I think the best one I have had was, "Is that a Beagle puppy?" But > >Chihuahuas? That takes the cake! > >Hilary > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of KIM THORNTON > > > 1st little boy: Look at that lady with the two cute dogs! > > > 2nd little boy: Yeah, they look like little Chihuahuas. > > > > > > LOL! Yesterday they were Cocker/Pekingese mixes. > > > > > > Kim > >Well the best(??) I've heard was actually asked of me: Are they Pit Bulls? >Rosemary > >-- >Rosemary I.H. Powell >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Please visit <http://www.CavalierKingCharles.com/Helping_Hearts/> >for quality web design/hosting, Cavalier screensavers and greetings cards: >all money goes to the UK CKCS Heath Fund to help research into MVD. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 03:42:00 -0800 >From: Terri Taylor Easterbrooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Boston Cluster Day One > >Suze, > >Who won yesterday? > >Best, > >Terri > > >--- "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ROTFL!!! You know I should just not post this month. > > I'm having sudden > > difficulties with senior moments! The dog is Llawen > > G.M > > Hopkins........and hopefully he knows his gender > > better than I! > > > > Suze (shaking her head and laughing!) > > > > Steve Mynott wrote: > > > > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Susan A. > > Schlenger > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > > > > > Hi Suze > > > > > > Well you left the door open for this one ! > > > > > > >Before I post the results, I must apologize for > > any mistakes. > > > >So, on to the results: > > > > > > Congratulations on your BI sexual Puppy Dog and > > Bred By Exhibitors > > > Bitch, > > > > > > I can't wait to see the results for Day 2 > > > > > > Only joking > > > > > > >Judge: William J. Dolan > > > > > > > > > > > >9-12 Puppy Dog > > > > > > > >1. Llawen E.B. Browning > > > > Breeder: Susan A. Schlenger > > > > Owner: Ann Egan > > > > > > > >12-18 Month Puppy Dog > > > > > > > >1. Tregarron My Wish Come True > > > > Breeder: Miss B M Dowd > > > > Owner: Kin Bond > > > > > > > >WD: Tregarron My Wish Come True (one point) > > > >RWD: Llawen E. B. Browning > > > > > > > >9-12 Puppy Bitch > > > > > > > >1. Pascavale Scarlet O'Hara > > > > Breeder: Messrs M. Levy & M Sedgwick > > > > Owner: Cynthia J Savoia & Susan M Savoia > > > > > > > >12-18 Puppy Bitch > > > > > > > >1. Ravenrush Hallelujah > > > > Breeder: Robert A. Schroll and John > > Gammon > > > > Owner: David Kirkland & S. Roman & J > > Gammon & R. Schroll > > > > > > > >2. Delhaze Sky Dreamer > > > > Breeder: Mr N D & Mrs H Edwards > > > > Owner: Roger B Baskin > > > > > > > > > > > >Bred By Exhibitor Bitch: > > > > > > > >1. Llawen E.B. Browning > > > > Breeder: Susan A. Schlenger > > > > Owner: Same > > > > > > > >Open Bitch: > > > > > > > >1. Mayfair Queen Walk > > > > Owner: Mary Warme > > > > Breeder: ?? sorry! > > > > > > > > > > > >2. Kavalor Adelaide at Foursome > > > > Breeder: Karen Ann Galipeault > > > > Owner: Ingela Gram > > > > > > > >WB/OS: Ravenrush Hallelujah (3 point major) > > > >RWB: Delhaze Sky Dreamer > > > > > > > >BOW: Tregarron My Wish Come True > > > > > > > >BOB: Ch. Marshell Rattlebridge Renoir > > > > Breeder: Shelly Stout > > > > Owner: Meredith Johnson-Snyder & Sheree > > Moses > > > > > > > >Congratulations to all the winners! > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Suze at Llawen Cavaliers > > > >"...I have seen that in any great undertaking it > > is not enough for a man > > > >to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica > > > >"Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing > > Bear > > > > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > > >"Magic Commands": > > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and > > send the email: > > > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > >to start it up gain click here: > > > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > assistance. > > > >Search the Archives... > > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 > > by its original author. > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Mynott > > > Honeybet Consultants and Honeybet Cavaliers > > > Affordable Web Site Design > > > > > > Cambridge UK > > > > > > Cavaliers at http://www.honeybet.co.uk > > > Web design at http://www.honeybet.com > > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and > > send the email: > > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > assistance. > > > Search the Archives... > > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 > > by its original author. > > > > -- > > Suze at Llawen Cavaliers > > "...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is > > not enough for a man > > to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica > > "Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > > > > >========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and > > send the email: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for > > assistance. > > Search the Archives... > > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by > > its original author. > > >===== >Please visit our website :http://www.antiquehorsesource.com, featuring >Champion bred Cavalier King Charles Spaniels & The Antique Horse Source. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send your FREE holiday greetings online! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:45:47 -0500 >From: Susan K Platt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: eyes > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Leanne Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:53 PM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] eyes > > > My information comes from Cynthia Wheeler, > Leanne > >OK, now I am confused! My Dr. is also Cynthia Wheeler and saw three, eight >week old puppies just last weekend. She as seen ALL my puppies between 7 - >9 weeks except for one litter. With that litter, I wasn't able to get my >puppies to the clinic until they were just over ten weeks. During that >exam >she said she had a hard time see what was going on with one of the puppies >and wanted to see him again at six months. ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? > >Susan > >Susan K Platt >Claymoore Cavaliers >Grand Blanc, MI >810 695-8979 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.usol.com/~claymoore >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Leanne Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:53 PM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] eyes > > > > My information comes from Cynthia Wheeler, breed review coordinator for >the > > book published by the Genetics Committee of the American College of > > Veterinary Ophthalmologists, "Ocular Disorders Presumed to be Inherited >in > > Purebred Dogs". I quote: "I find before 6 weeks (when the tapetum >begins >to > > form) and > > after 10 weeks to be the best time to evaluate. Between 6 and 10 weeks, >the > > tapetal coloring can make the rd lesions less visible." > > > > Also, from the CERF website: http://www.vmdb.org/dx.html > > "Retinal dysplasia can be detected as early as 6-8 weeks on a CERF > > examination. However, because the size of the eye is small and young >puppies > > are often wiggling during examination, a 6 month recheck is recommended >in > > order for the ophthalmologist to better see the back of the eye." > > > > I agree that the puppies need to be examined at least once before the >folds > > have a chance to heal, but I don't think that you can say for certain >that > > dogs examined at 6-10 weeks of age are free of retinal dysplasia. > > > > Leanne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Susan K Platt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Now the Opthamologist I go to said that she like to see the puppies > > BETWEEN > > > six and ten weeks. She also said that many times if the puppies is >seen > > > after that, the folds (if they had them), could unfold and be > > undetectable. > > > Therefore, if the puppy is not tested early, you really don't know if >you > > > have a dog that is "normal" or not. So not only is the "bubble sheet" > > > important but the age in which the puppy was tested. > > > > > > Susan > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Leanne Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] eyes > > > Folds are hard to see between six and 10 weeks of age, due to the >coloring > > > of the tapetum at that age; folds may easily be missed in young >puppies. > > > For this reason, it is recommended that puppies be examined again at >six > > > months of age. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:55:19 -0500 >From: Jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: genotype v phenotype > >Hello Sheena, >I directed the hogwash statement at the need for Laura to see Cathy's dogs >pedigree's(and clearances) in order to solve the problem of heart disease >in >the Cavalier. >Now if Laura would like to see Cathy's pedigree's in order to help her own >breeding program..I could understand that... >Merry Christmas. >Jo Ann Carvill >BJ Cavaliers >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >www.bjcavaliers.com > > > > Hi List > > > > Why is what Laura wrote on genotype v phenotype wrong (or, >alternatively, > > hogwash)? Everything I've ever read - Padgett, Franklin, Robinson etc - >on > > genetics describes in words of one syllable the difference between the >two, > > and gives clear explanations of various styles of breeding programmes >one > > can follow with indications of what to expect (particularly with >Padgett's > > notation system) as a result. > > > > I understand that breeding on genotype can be a long slow upward >process, > > and too tightly can involve having to cull - not a happy thought and one > > that most breeders won't contemplate. IMO rightly, but there are >breeders > > rumoured to have done it and possibly those that continue to do it. > > > > Breeding on phenotype can be a lot quicker, with the added advantage of > > hybrid vigour, but the disadvantage in succeeding generations of a whole > > bunch of genes you might not want. > > > > So you leave the hard facts of genetics and - whether you like it or not >- > > you're into the tricky realm of personal preference and list and planet > > alike are presumably big enough to encompass the differences, especially >at > > this time of year. > > > > Me? I'm still hoping for 'the nick' - the magical mating between two >dogs > > that produce the most wonderful offspring, whether genotypical or > > phenotypical - although my personal preference is to go for the first. > > > > Best to all > > > > Sheena > > > > > > Sheena Stevens > > Kilnshena Kavaliers > > Devon, UK > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >------------------------------ > >End of CKCS-L Digest - 8 Dec 2001 - Special issue (#2001-803) >************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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