Even me? Oh my. LOL So you didn't write...* > > will no longer want to have him siring puppies for them. Instead of > > focusing on the great dogs who you say have been maligned over the years > > based on hearsay and gossip, I would rather focus on the great dogs over >the > > years who have passed on their bad hearts, crummy hips and other >genetically > > transmitted diseases so that generations of their progeny can die young, > > live in pain and suffer. * If it is a quote from Renee it certainly isn't clear. Jo Ann
> Joann, you really don't read the posts very carefully. If you re-read the > post, even you could tell that I am quoting Renee. So...if you have a > question about which great dogs??? Maybe you could direct your question to > the person who originated the phrase?? Myra Savant > > > > >What "great dogs' are you talking about? > >Of course you won't say just make cowardly accusations. > >Jo Ann Carvill > >BJ Cavaliers > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >www.bjcavaliers.com > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:29 PM > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype > > > > > > > Renee, please don't consider this a flame because I am glad you posted > >and > >I > > > see the points you are trying to make. Please don't compare people with > > > AIDS to dogs. We simply are not dealing with the same problems. A dog > >with > > > a bad heart doesn't lose his job, or the respect and caring of his > >family > >or > > > friends. He isn't even remotely contagious and so that piece of the > >whole > > > thing never even comes up. There is no social stigma attached to > >acquiring > > > a bad heart as there unfortunately is with AIDS. If a dog with a bad > >heart > > > is publicly known to have a bad heart all that happens to him is that > >people > > > will no longer want to have him siring puppies for them. Instead of > > > focusing on the great dogs who you say have been maligned over the years > > > based on hearsay and gossip, I would rather focus on the great dogs over > >the > > > years who have passed on their bad hearts, crummy hips and other > >genetically > > > transmitted diseases so that generations of their progeny can die young, > > > live in pain and suffer. If I have to choose between protecting the > > > reputation of a "great dog who has been maligned" or the puppies that I > >am > > > responsible for, my puppies and their little tiny hearts win every > >single > > > time. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > >From: Renee Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype > > > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:48:57 -0800 > > > > > > > >Myra wrote: > > > > > > > > > While I agree that people are more inclined to support a registry > >that > > > > > publishes good news, I still wish that we had an open registry that > > > >gives > > > >us > > > > > all the known information. By having access to that information, we > > > >could > > > > > start to piece together the puzzles about carrier status and > >recessives. > > > >We > > > > > would be able to know more about the genetic baggage that our dogs > >are > > > > > carrying. I know that you are correct that if people were > >mandatorily > > > > > required to report all of the testing information in any society, > >they > > > > > simply wouldn't test. I'm not sure why that is, but I suppose it > >has > > > > > something to do with the competitive nature of showing dogs for > >sport. > > > >All > > > > > we can do at this point is the best we can do. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > > > >I work with clients living with AIDS. If we were to force testing and > >open > > > >reporting, I'm afraid we would have many people refusing to be tested > >for > > > >fear of being "outed" or worse! Just imagine the ramifications of > >that! > > > >Now, please don't flame me. I am well aware of the differences between > > > >AIDS > > > >and health testing, with open reporting, of our Cavaliers, but please > >just > > > >think about all the great dogs who have been so maligned over the years > > > >based on hearsay and gossip. > > > > > > > >IF (and in my mind it's a very big IF), an open registry really was to > >be > > > >used for the good of the breed, I'd support it wholeheartedly. > >Instead, > > > >what I (and many of the people I know in this breed) unfortunately have > > > >been > > > >witness--and sometimes recipients--of is more like a witch hunt when > > > >someone > > > >has a problem in the breed. And, it seems that the more successful > >someone > > > >is, the more maligned their dogs are. > > > > > > > >Again, please don't flame me. I certainly support health testing and > >the > > > >sharing of information for breeding purposes. All I'm saying is an > >open > > > >registry as has been suggested is just not realistic. > > > > > > > >I also wholeheartedly agree with Janice and the others who made the > >point > > > >that just because all results are not in an open database does not mean > >we > > > >don't test. I'm guilty of not sending in heart, eye and knee results > >on > >my > > > >dogs, too. And, since most of my dogs are under 2 or have just turned > >2, > > > >I'm just starting to do hips. > > > > > > > >I would love to see the day when health testing is just done by > >everyone > > > >and > > > >not used as a marketing tool or as a means to imply that someone else > >isn't > > > >part of a "premiere" group of breeders. Maybe there's another reason > >test > > > >results are not being supplied to someone expressing an interest in > >using > >a > > > >dog. 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