I haven't seen any with the problem, but there is a fellow in England who is collecting pedigrees of affected dogs. He sent me a bunch to run stats on, but that was a couple of years ago when my late mom in law was on her deathbed and I was too busy caring for her to do anything with the pedigrees. He had an idea about a particular dog or line, but I don't remember which and wouldn't say here if I did remember anyway. It isn't one that was really common in the US. I do remember that much. After finals next week, I'll see if I can find the files he sent.
Seems like his name was Malcolm or something like that and I remember that there was a website (his??) that had some information on the condition which is a nasty defect. It had to do with the brain shifting down into the area at the neck where the spinal column meets the head. Something about a malformation in that area. Sorry to be so vague, but my brain is full of html which I am supposed to be writing for a computer course that finishes up next week--- instead of reading email, LOL. All the best, Susan Cochran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > I know Dave can be absolutely infuriating at times.. <g> > But this is such a wise post. Just sensible without name calling and as far > as I can tell totally unjudgemental. > > I certainly don't meet all of Dave's criteria but he does have a right to > look for it in his *teachers*. > > Jeanie, I've been doing this almost as long as you and I've been on this > list almost as long as you and..ugh..I attended many, many CKCSCUSA meeting > and have heard the same stuff from the same people. I don't know why I pipe > up now and again. You'd think I'd give it up but I don't I keep at and > probably will until the end (of me). > > Annette sorry I assumed (ass and me!) you meant the British CKCSCUSA club..I > have received one 1 bulletin in the past three years. So I missed that > article. > I have heard the problem mentioned during a few of my trips to England and > have seen a dog or two with the problem. > Jo Ann Carvill > BJ Cavaliers > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.bjcavaliers.com > > > > <<Surely someone who has produced consistently great dogs over a long > period > > of time would be regarded as a person who knew what they were doing>> > > > > Absolutely. But opinions on if a dog is great or not vary greatly, are > > somewhat subjective, and are not always tied to the number of ribbons it > wins. > > > > << written lengthy articles on the breed, educated Judges on the breed?>> > > > > What are the requirements to write an article? Have you ever read > articles > > by someone you don't think were very good? What are the requirements to > hold > > judges seminars? > > > > <<What other qualities do they need? >> > > > > Patience, Tolerance, COURTESY, Open minds, a managed ego... etc etc etc. > > Not all knowlegeable people are good teachers. Not all smart people are > > leaders. > > > > <<Why should they have to repeat time after time the same message to the > same > > people - who are obviously not listening or not able to comprehend the > > message or accept the information offered. Why waste valuable time with > such > > people.>> > > > > Most people who have ever made a difference in just about anything have > had > > to repeat their message over and over and over. Its patience, its > > persistance, its part of being a leader. So if people continue to buy > from > > puppy mills we should quit trying to educate them? Don't try to educate > the > > less educated if they don't listen the first time? If they don't easily > get > > on board why waste time with them. Maybe the easy path to turn a blind > eye > > if they don't get it right away but maybe not the best path either. > > > > <<IMHO listing the results of your efforts, be it number of Champions, > judging > > credentials etc gives your opinion some credibility and is not self > > promotion, it is statement of fact>> > > > > It is a statement of fact as to the number of ribbons you have won. Not > much > > more. Numbers can often be misleading. Only looking at what is behind the > > numbers tells the real story. Is the better breeder the one with 50 > > champions or 5? What if you find out the one who bred 50 champions bred > > 2,000 puppies to get them a success rate of 1 in 20 while the breeder with > 5 > > bred 20 a 1 in 4 success rate. Two breeders finish a champion from their > > kennel. Are they equal achievements? One was competing against 5 others > > from the same kennel the other, 5 dogs from other kennels? Still the > same > > achievement? One beat three nationally ranked dogs the other beat none? > > Still the same? Do you think there are big winning Champions in the USA > that > > couldn't win in England? I do. How about dogs that can't win in other > > countrys that come here and win. Happens. I could go on but you get the > > point, titles and numbers of ribbons do not alone always tell the real > story. > > > > There is no crime in bragging about one's wins or promoting oneself but > the > > numbers alone do NOT tell the whole story and often do not accurately > reflect > > the quality of the breeder by themselves. Maybe sometimes they do. Often > > they don't. Can anyone think of a breeder who has been breeding for many > > years and has lots of champions you would NOT reccomend? I'll bet most > can. > > (no names listed hope that doesn't offend anyone) > > > > <<Do you not list your credentials in your work situation? to give > yourself > > credibility.>> > > > > I list them to get the job. The credibility comes from my actions from > that > > point forward. Actions, not achievements on paper build credibility. AND > I > > constantly have to prove myself over and over as new people come around > they > > judge for themselves based on my continued actions. I do NOT expect them > to > > immediately respect me because someone said they should or because of my > > title. Continued actions, continued evaluation, earns continued respect. > > > > << AND as Chairperson of NZKC Judges Association I personally take great > > offence at your suggestion that those in our breed who also Judge > "solicit > > financed judging assignments for travel and socializing". >> > > > > Throwing your title around doesn't intimidate me or impress me. I'm sorry > if > > my opinion offends you but I believe there is truth to it. Some do these > > things I have mentioned. Thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it. > > > > <<To cover yourself by saying you haven't put anyone into a category is > not > > good enough. Either name names or don't make unsubstantiated > allegations.>> > > > > Sorry it isn't good enough for you that I won't name names but that would > > serve no productive purpose to do so on this email list and like I said, > > people know what category they fall into they don't need me to sort things > > out for them. I will continue to speak my opinion if you don't care to > read > > them delete my posts. I would be glad to explain how that works if you > like. > > Over and over until you get it <G> > > > > Dave > > CastleMyst Cavaliers > > http://members.aol.com/CMystCavs > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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