Yes, that was the fellow who sent me the pedigrees on this defect. I read his site, but it was a couple of years ago and I am really amazed that I remembered what bits that I did considering the "senior moments" that I've had after turning 50 this year:-) The first time that I heard anything about it was from a puppy inquiry. A lady from the northeast called me looking for a show puppy and mentioned (well more than mentioned, she went into great detail) that she had bought a dog from someone and it had turned out to have the defect. It doesn't seem to be very widespread at present. All the best, Susan Cochran
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheridan Weinstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > Susan: > > I think the disorder is known as syringohydromyelia, and the man who wrote > about it was a Malcolm Burley -- or something like that. He had a site on > the Cavalier Ring and described in great detail the disorder, its signs and > symptoms, means of dx and rx. I believe we had a cavalier in this area that > exhibited the classic signs of that, especially when under stress. It truly > is a nasty, and it is genetically transmitted. Generally it is accompanied > by very painful episodes. MRIs are used to dx. > > Sheridan Weinstein > Cascadia Cavaliers > Gig Harbor, WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Cochran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > > > > I haven't seen any with the problem, but there is a fellow in England who > is > > collecting pedigrees of affected dogs. He sent me a bunch to run stats on, > > but that was a couple of years ago when my late mom in law was on her > > deathbed and I was too busy caring for her to do anything with the > > pedigrees. He had an idea about a particular dog or line, but I don't > > remember which and wouldn't say here if I did remember anyway. It isn't > one > > that was really common in the US. I do remember that much. After finals > > next week, I'll see if I can find the files he sent. > > > > Seems like his name was Malcolm or something like that and I remember that > > there was a website (his??) that had some information on the condition > which > > is a nasty defect. It had to do with the brain shifting down into the area > > at the neck where the spinal column meets the head. Something about a > > malformation in that area. Sorry to be so vague, but my brain is full of > > html which I am supposed to be writing for a computer course that finishes > > up next week--- instead of reading email, LOL. > > All the best, > > Susan Cochran > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > > > > > > > I know Dave can be absolutely infuriating at times.. <g> > > > But this is such a wise post. Just sensible without name calling and as > > far > > > as I can tell totally unjudgemental. > > > > > > I certainly don't meet all of Dave's criteria but he does have a right > to > > > look for it in his *teachers*. > > > > > > Jeanie, I've been doing this almost as long as you and I've been on this > > > list almost as long as you and..ugh..I attended many, many CKCSCUSA > > meeting > > > and have heard the same stuff from the same people. I don't know why I > > pipe > > > up now and again. You'd think I'd give it up but I don't I keep at and > > > probably will until the end (of me). > > > > > > Annette sorry I assumed (ass and me!) you meant the British CKCSCUSA > > club..I > > > have received one 1 bulletin in the past three years. So I missed that > > > article. > > > I have heard the problem mentioned during a few of my trips to England > and > > > have seen a dog or two with the problem. > > > Jo Ann Carvill > > > BJ Cavaliers > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > www.bjcavaliers.com > > > > > > > > > > <<Surely someone who has produced consistently great dogs over a long > > > period > > > > of time would be regarded as a person who knew what they were doing>> > > > > > > > > Absolutely. But opinions on if a dog is great or not vary greatly, > are > > > > somewhat subjective, and are not always tied to the number of ribbons > it > > > wins. > > > > > > > > << written lengthy articles on the breed, educated Judges on the > > breed?>> > > > > > > > > What are the requirements to write an article? Have you ever read > > > articles > > > > by someone you don't think were very good? What are the requirements > to > > > hold > > > > judges seminars? > > > > > > > > <<What other qualities do they need? >> > > > > > > > > Patience, Tolerance, COURTESY, Open minds, a managed ego... etc etc > > etc. > > > > Not all knowlegeable people are good teachers. Not all smart people > are > > > > leaders. > > > > > > > > <<Why should they have to repeat time after time the same message to > the > > > same > > > > people - who are obviously not listening or not able to comprehend the > > > > message or accept the information offered. Why waste valuable time > with > > > such > > > > people.>> > > > > > > > > Most people who have ever made a difference in just about anything > have > > > had > > > > to repeat their message over and over and over. Its patience, its > > > > persistance, its part of being a leader. So if people continue to buy > > > from > > > > puppy mills we should quit trying to educate them? Don't try to > educate > > > the > > > > less educated if they don't listen the first time? If they don't > easily > > > get > > > > on board why waste time with them. Maybe the easy path to turn a > blind > > > eye > > > > if they don't get it right away but maybe not the best path either. > > > > > > > > <<IMHO listing the results of your efforts, be it number of Champions, > > > judging > > > > credentials etc gives your opinion some credibility and is not self > > > > promotion, it is statement of fact>> > > > > > > > > It is a statement of fact as to the number of ribbons you have won. > Not > > > much > > > > more. Numbers can often be misleading. Only looking at what is behind > > the > > > > numbers tells the real story. Is the better breeder the one with 50 > > > > champions or 5? What if you find out the one who bred 50 champions > bred > > > > 2,000 puppies to get them a success rate of 1 in 20 while the breeder > > with > > > 5 > > > > bred 20 a 1 in 4 success rate. Two breeders finish a champion from > > their > > > > kennel. Are they equal achievements? One was competing against 5 > > others > > > > from the same kennel the other, 5 dogs from other kennels? Still the > > > same > > > > achievement? One beat three nationally ranked dogs the other beat > none? > > > > Still the same? Do you think there are big winning Champions in the > USA > > > that > > > > couldn't win in England? I do. How about dogs that can't win in > other > > > > countrys that come here and win. Happens. I could go on but you get > > the > > > > point, titles and numbers of ribbons do not alone always tell the real > > > story. > > > > > > > > There is no crime in bragging about one's wins or promoting oneself > but > > > the > > > > numbers alone do NOT tell the whole story and often do not accurately > > > reflect > > > > the quality of the breeder by themselves. Maybe sometimes they do. > > Often > > > > they don't. Can anyone think of a breeder who has been breeding for > > many > > > > years and has lots of champions you would NOT reccomend? I'll bet > most > > > can. > > > > (no names listed hope that doesn't offend anyone) > > > > > > > > <<Do you not list your credentials in your work situation? to give > > > yourself > > > > credibility.>> > > > > > > > > I list them to get the job. The credibility comes from my actions > from > > > that > > > > point forward. Actions, not achievements on paper build credibility. > > AND > > > I > > > > constantly have to prove myself over and over as new people come > around > > > they > > > > judge for themselves based on my continued actions. I do NOT expect > > them > > > to > > > > immediately respect me because someone said they should or because of > my > > > > title. Continued actions, continued evaluation, earns continued > > respect. > > > > > > > > << AND as Chairperson of NZKC Judges Association I personally take > great > > > > offence at your suggestion that those in our breed who also Judge > > > "solicit > > > > financed judging assignments for travel and socializing". >> > > > > > > > > Throwing your title around doesn't intimidate me or impress me. I'm > > sorry > > > if > > > > my opinion offends you but I believe there is truth to it. Some do > these > > > > things I have mentioned. Thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it. > > > > > > > > <<To cover yourself by saying you haven't put anyone into a category > is > > > not > > > > good enough. Either name names or don't make unsubstantiated > > > allegations.>> > > > > > > > > Sorry it isn't good enough for you that I won't name names but that > > would > > > > serve no productive purpose to do so on this email list and like I > said, > > > > people know what category they fall into they don't need me to sort > > things > > > > out for them. I will continue to speak my opinion if you don't care > to > > > read > > > > them delete my posts. 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