But what I said Annette was that breeding diseased to diseased will produce diseased. I think that surely we can all agree on that? None of us would ever dream of breeding diseased to diseased and how will we know if we don't test? Clear to clear is no guarantee, but diseased to diseased is pretty much of a certainty. Myra
>From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:22:38 -0000 > >I am sorry Myra but you don't KNOW that for a certainty, Clear to Clear >will >produce MVD also - all lines have the defective gene therefore some will >have early onset some will have late. All you can HOPE for is that clear to >clear will produce late onset. >But having said that I am now in lurk mode VBG > >Annette >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:22 PM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > > > > Suze, it isn't necessarily that we are all thinking that if we breed >clear > > dogs to clear dogs we will get clear dogs. It is more that we all >know > > for a dead certainty that if we breed affected diseased dogs to affected > > diseased dogs, we will produce affected diseased puppies. Myra Savant > > > > > > > > > > >From: Laura Trunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] International & Experience > > >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:54:03 -0500 > > > > > > > There is NO immediate promise from any cardiologist, > > >opthamologist > > >or > > > > orthopedic specialist to whom I have spoken that progeny from any >animal > > > > they examined will be healthier. Polygenetic disorders don't improve > > > > that way as you know. So far as I am aware there is not even any > > > > promise of long term improvement in terms of eliminating MVD or > > > > RD...even HD from the population. > > > > The "promise" is a *hope* of improvement in the long term. That is >what > > > > I meant about breeding selectively for health is for the improvement >of > > > > the breed; not for today's buying public. > > > > > >So these experts specifically told you that if you take Ch. MVD Clear >at > > >Seven Stud Dog (by Ch. MVD Clear Till Seven Stud Dog out of Ch. Brood >Bitch > > >Clear Till Eight) and bred him to two bitches--Ch. MVD Clear at Seven >Brood > > >Bitch (by Ch. MVD Clear Till Nine Stud Dog out of Ch. MVD Still Clear >at > > >Ten > > >Brood Bitch) and Ch. Brood Bitch Who Developed MVD at Age Three (by Ch. >MVD > > >Stud Dog Who Has Grade III MVD at Age Four out of Ch. Brood Bitch Who >Has > > >Grade I MVD at Age Four)--there won't be ANY difference WHATSOEVER >between > > >the children of those two bitches in regards to the *average* onset of >MVD? > > > > > >Laura Trunk > > >Roycroft Cavaliers > > > > > >========================================================= > > >"Magic Commands": > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > >to start it up gain click here: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original >author. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > > > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author.
