I believe there was a Cocker called My Own Brucie that had a major impact on the breed 
as he won Westminster, was a beautiful specimen and bitches Coast to Coast were bred 
to him -- unfortunately, he was also highly aggressive and even today you see his 
influence as there are major aggression problems in Cockers.  I do not know either of 
the three dogs you mention (they were way before my time in dogs here in the USA) but 
with the hip problems in German Shepherds and on hearing about
the policy of the Golden Club Magazine editors from Terrie, I am surprised to see that 
from 1970 to date neither dog is listed on the OFA website.  One  wonders what other 
major impact these dogs made on their respective breeds.  Without health in these 
highly (presumably) bred dogs, you have nothing.

Anne

Peggy Mickelson wrote:

> Gee, this catching up is making me post a lot....
>
> When we speak of influential dogs, it is well to keep in mind that some dogs who 
>could have and should have been influential did not become so because they belonged 
>to people who may have been disliked, or to people who did not accept all comers for 
>breeding, and therefore did not get used much.  This happens more here in the US (and 
>maybe in Canada) than in other countries, where it seems breeders have a better sense 
>of what is important.  I've known bitches to be sent to dogs when
> their owners just about hated one another...but not in this country.  Here, often it 
>is who the owner is that determines whether a dog is used often enough to have an 
>effect on the breed...and I'm not just speaking of Cavaliers here.  Also, here in the 
>US, there are always the people who rush to breed to a dog imported from a famous 
>kennel overseas, sometimes without even seeing the dog or his pedigree.
>     It is easy for a dog to have an influence on a breed when he is used 30 or 40 
>times a year, or even just used a dozen times by the same owner who makes sure that 
>the majority of the get are shown to their titles.  This ensures that a dog will 
>appear in dozens of pedigrees as time goes on.  One can only hope that the dogs so 
>used will be a good influence, not just an influence.
>     Over the years I've been involved in this sport, three dogs come to mind as 
>having had a MAJOR impact on their breeds...changing the look of the breed entirely.  
>They were the German Shepherd, CH Lance of Fran-Jo, the Golden, CH Cummings Gold-Rush 
>Charlie, and the Smooth Fox Terrier, CH Ttarb the Brat.  Brat was an import from 
>Tasmania (we bow again to our friends down under)...the other dogs were American 
>Bred.   I don't think we will see anything like those dogs in
> Cavaliers...those three STAMPED their offspring unmistakably and literally changed 
>their breeds.  That's what I call having an influence........
> Peggy
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