I would like to respond regarding my husbands dog--Ch. Ttarb The Bratt--Bratt is the 
Sire of 137 AKC Champions--he had the most exquisite head and expression(sorely 
lacking in the breed at the time) a classic body and outline-good rear--there was 
enough of him and he could have had a better shoulder--his influence on the breed is 
seen in the ring today.  Where there problems--of course -if you went to the well too 
often you lost bone--there have been no major health issues from his line
to date.  Bratt was an exaggerated dog however I believe you must have that in any 
breed to maintain type( I see that in Cavaliers today).

I would also like to mention the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of America.  In the 
early 80s we instituted a proctocol for our Breeders List--you must have both OFA 
clearances and Eye clearances(prior to CERF) to be eligibleto be on the list---HD has 
been reduced-but not eliminated and eyes are in very good shape in the breed.  That is 
not to say that there are no other problems in the breed that are now being addressed.

Dr. Padgett states in his book that if we did not breed carriers we would never breed 
another litter---the trick is to prioritize by how fatal  to the dog the defect may be 
and linebreed to reduce the incidence.

I would not choose-in any breed--to have ugly untypey dogs-I choose beautiful dogs 
bred from non-affected stock-and discard problems as I go.

Until both Cavalier clubs work together--and all lines are available to all breeders 
the goals we seek are not easily attainable.

Janet Dalton



Cavatibs wrote:

> I believe there was a Cocker called My Own Brucie that had a major impact on the 
>breed as he won Westminster, was a beautiful specimen and bitches Coast to Coast were 
>bred to him -- unfortunately, he was also highly aggressive and even today you see 
>his influence as there are major aggression problems in Cockers.  I do not know 
>either of the three dogs you mention (they were way before my time in dogs here in 
>the USA) but with the hip problems in German Shepherds and on hearing about
> the policy of the Golden Club Magazine editors from Terrie, I am surprised to see 
>that from 1970 to date neither dog is listed on the OFA website.  One  wonders what 
>other major impact these dogs made on their respective breeds.  Without health in 
>these highly (presumably) bred dogs, you have nothing.
>
> Anne
>
> Peggy Mickelson wrote:
>
> > Gee, this catching up is making me post a lot....
> >
> > When we speak of influential dogs, it is well to keep in mind that some dogs who 
>could have and should have been influential did not become so because they belonged 
>to people who may have been disliked, or to people who did not accept all comers for 
>breeding, and therefore did not get used much.  This happens more here in the US (and 
>maybe in Canada) than in other countries, where it seems breeders have a better sense 
>of what is important.  I've known bitches to be sent to dogs when
> > their owners just about hated one another...but not in this country.  Here, often 
>it is who the owner is that determines whether a dog is used often enough to have an 
>effect on the breed...and I'm not just speaking of Cavaliers here.  Also, here in the 
>US, there are always the people who rush to breed to a dog imported from a famous 
>kennel overseas, sometimes without even seeing the dog or his pedigree.
> >     It is easy for a dog to have an influence on a breed when he is used 30 or 40 
>times a year, or even just used a dozen times by the same owner who makes sure that 
>the majority of the get are shown to their titles.  This ensures that a dog will 
>appear in dozens of pedigrees as time goes on.  One can only hope that the dogs so 
>used will be a good influence, not just an influence.
> >     Over the years I've been involved in this sport, three dogs come to mind as 
>having had a MAJOR impact on their breeds...changing the look of the breed entirely.  
>They were the German Shepherd, CH Lance of Fran-Jo, the Golden, CH Cummings Gold-Rush 
>Charlie, and the Smooth Fox Terrier, CH Ttarb the Brat.  Brat was an import from 
>Tasmania (we bow again to our friends down under)...the other dogs were American 
>Bred.   I don't think we will see anything like those dogs in
> > Cavaliers...those three STAMPED their offspring unmistakably and literally changed 
>their breeds.  That's what I call having an influence........
> > Peggy
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