Myra I agree with you there is room for all our opinions and just because some do not agree with the lengths that others go to does not necessarily mean that they are critical about them As someone pointed out in an earlier post blood testing is done on humans so why not on dogs as it is relatively inexpensive. The fact is that blood testing here in the UK is not a routine procedure when you visit your doctor The fact that few vets have lab facilities on the premises so blood has to sent away to a path lab (By snail mail in many cases!!) will explain in part our thinking. I have invested nearly 25 years of time in one of my bitch lines - however should a problem crop up I would cull that line tomorrow whether I would start off again at my age is debatable (VBG) Mary Roslin Williams ( a well known Labrador breeder ) told me many years ago that you breed for long enough and somewhere along the line however careful you are every known fault will crop up at sometime or other - I think what she said was very true
Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > Annette, I honest don't think that any one of us is uncaring, and I > understand that in other countries, the availability for health testing is > different. I do feel, however, that there is room for all of us and all of > our opinions in the sport of showing and breeding dogs, and sometimes we are > fairly quick to criticize the choices made by others. Myra Savant > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:26:49 -0000 > > > >Well I think you are reading more into comments than is intended. > >We who do not have the facilities that you have for testing in the US could > >very well say that you are pointing the finger at us as being uncaring in > >our breeding practices. > >The fact that even if the facilities were available we might not choose to > >use them - this is a matter of choice and opinion. > > > >Annette > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:16 AM > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > > > > As a breeder who tests for everything, it doesn't feel like a discussion > >of > > > customs and opinions. Myra > > > > > > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:02:24 -0000 > > > > > > > >Myra > > > >You must be reading different emails to me because I haven't seen > >anyone > > > >making fun of anyone in the posts I have read > > > >I have seen people pointing out the differences between what happens in > > > >different countries, I have seen people writing their opinions - that > >is > > > >not > > > >making fun that is stating differences of customs and opinions > > > > > > > >Annette > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:48 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both clubs here in the US, mention health testing in their code of > > > >ethics. > > > > > CKCSC USA says something to the effect that they will not knowingly > > > >breed > > > >a > > > > > dog with a genetically transmitted health problem. The ACKCS code > >of > > > >ethics > > > > > is a little more strongly worded in my opinion, and says something > >to > > > >the > > > > > effect that the breeder will take advantage of health testing. I > > > >probably > > > > > should look it up to get the wording exactly right, but you get my > > > >general > > > > > drift. It's too bad that a lot of you feel comfortable making fun > >of > > > >people > > > > > who make choices to screen their dogs for genetically transmitted > > > >diseases. > > > > > There are people out there breeding these dogs who are trying very > > > >hard > > > >to > > > > > do a good job. They may be inexperienced and trying not to make > > > >mistakes > > > >or > > > > > ruin their lines early on by breeding dogs who will pass > >debilitating > > > > > diseases to their pups. Their vets may be equally inexperienced > > > >treating > > > > > cavaliers and may be giving them incorrect advice. What a shame that > > > >they > > > > > can't be given credit for going the extra mile. I'd far rather deal > > > >with > > > > > someone who tried too hard than to deal with someone who didn't try > >hard > > > > > enough. 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