Well, so far, I've found breeding cavaliers to be filled with a lot of challenges. I think I'm getting better, and developing a better eye, but for sure I've had my share of surprises. It is very humbling. Myra
>From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:05:55 -0000 > >Myra >I agree with you there is room for all our opinions and just because some >do not agree with the lengths that others go to does not necessarily mean >that they are critical about them >As someone pointed out in an earlier post blood testing is done on humans >so >why not on dogs as it is relatively inexpensive. >The fact is that blood testing here in the UK is not a routine procedure >when you visit your doctor >The fact that few vets have lab facilities on the premises so blood has to >sent away to a path lab (By snail mail in many cases!!) will explain in >part >our thinking. >I have invested nearly 25 years of time in one of my bitch lines - however >should a problem crop up I would cull that line tomorrow whether I would >start off again at my age is debatable (VBG) >Mary Roslin Williams ( a well known Labrador breeder ) told me many years >ago that you breed for long enough and somewhere along the line however >careful you are every known fault will crop up at sometime or other - I >think what she said was very true > >Annette > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:37 AM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > Annette, I honest don't think that any one of us is uncaring, and I > > understand that in other countries, the availability for health testing >is > > different. I do feel, however, that there is room for all of us and all >of > > our opinions in the sport of showing and breeding dogs, and sometimes we >are > > fairly quick to criticize the choices made by others. Myra Savant > > > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:26:49 -0000 > > > > > >Well I think you are reading more into comments than is intended. > > >We who do not have the facilities that you have for testing in the US >could > > >very well say that you are pointing the finger at us as being uncaring >in > > >our breeding practices. > > >The fact that even if the facilities were available we might not choose >to > > >use them - this is a matter of choice and opinion. > > > > > >Annette > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:16 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > > > > > > > As a breeder who tests for everything, it doesn't feel like a >discussion > > >of > > > > customs and opinions. Myra > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Annette Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:02:24 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Myra > > > > >You must be reading different emails to me because I haven't seen > > >anyone > > > > >making fun of anyone in the posts I have read > > > > >I have seen people pointing out the differences between what >happens >in > > > > >different countries, I have seen people writing their opinions - >that > > >is > > > > >not > > > > >making fun that is stating differences of customs and opinions > > > > > > > > > >Annette > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:48 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] group think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both clubs here in the US, mention health testing in their code >of > > > > >ethics. > > > > > > CKCSC USA says something to the effect that they will not >knowingly > > > > >breed > > > > >a > > > > > > dog with a genetically transmitted health problem. The ACKCS >code > > >of > > > > >ethics > > > > > > is a little more strongly worded in my opinion, and says >something > > >to > > > > >the > > > > > > effect that the breeder will take advantage of health testing. >I > > > > >probably > > > > > > should look it up to get the wording exactly right, but you get >my > > > > >general > > > > > > drift. It's too bad that a lot of you feel comfortable making >fun > > >of > > > > >people > > > > > > who make choices to screen their dogs for genetically >transmitted > > > > >diseases. > > > > > > There are people out there breeding these dogs who are trying >very > > > > >hard > > > > >to > > > > > > do a good job. They may be inexperienced and trying not to make > > > > >mistakes > > > > >or > > > > > > ruin their lines early on by breeding dogs who will pass > > >debilitating > > > > > > diseases to their pups. Their vets may be equally inexperienced > > > > >treating > > > > > > cavaliers and may be giving them incorrect advice. What a shame >that > > > > >they > > > > > > can't be given credit for going the extra mile. I'd far rather >deal > > > > >with > > > > > > someone who tried too hard than to deal with someone who didn't >try > > >hard > > > > > > enough. 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