Thank you for this information.  It is just what I need.  I suspect that I
know where in the pedigree it is coming from.  I have heard of other
overshot mouths through this line.  Myra


>From: Kathy Yonkers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Overshot mouths
>Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:02:14 -0400
>
>Myra...
>
>After reviewing the literature and searching the internet on this subject
>of
>overshot bites for you...I located the following online article. This
>article (this research originated in Belgium and was presented in
>Canada...so Dianne,,,this is not a crazy "yank" LOL) describes an
>non-invasive behavioral modification approach to encourage good canine
>tooth
>eruption patterns (the mandibular canine tooth relationship) and proper jaw
>positioning...it will not work for major jaw discrepancy (thus will not
>alter genetic growth plates such as "parrot mouths").  This is an
>interesting read...also there is an list of referenced articles that may be
>assistance to you and your vet.  You can view them via PUBMED abstracts.
>The
>other approaches are invasive...
>
>http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00047.htm
>
>Myra...Good luck with your pup and I hope this helps guide her mandibular
>canines into a better working  position, so they do not tramuatize her
>palate...And she can have quality of life!!!  This will not change her
>profile or anyone factors (such as the posterior mandibular incisors
>positioning) associated with being overshot.  This method is only meant to
>reduce the chances of ulceration, infection, and fistulation by guiding the
>mandibular canines into a functional placement ...the end goal is to help
>with function and quality of life!!!
>
>As other breeders have noted...Thank God this type of bite appears to be a
>rare occurrence in CKCSs and as you know...should never be bred on...or
>this
>very recessive trait will turn up more often in this breed.  We must
>selectively breed as you know for good functional bites (we have enough
>problems with undershot bites LOL)...not only to help create a future "show
>specimen" but this is critical to preserving the breed's health.
>
>I do feel all puppies and adult dogs could benefit (especially if they are
>not on a "BARF" diet) by chewing on soft, round shaped chewing toys which
>resemble "in shape" the raw round long bones (femurs) found in nature
>(probably a raw round bone would be superior to the man-made toy).....this
>type of naturally occurring shape encourages normal functional chewing
>patterns and could impact on maintaining their correct genetically
>programmed eruption patterns and overall oral health...BUT it will not
>impact on problematic genetics.
>
>Genetics (as seasoned breeders have reported) can be addressed by breeders
>completing key steps: studying the strengths and weaknesses of the dam and
>sire of the proposed breeding and their offspring produced in all
>breedings,
>a detailed study of the trial pedigree, and the final key step...true
>devine
>inspiration...remember we are not in this alone!!! And God has a sense of
>humor when egos are involved...LOL This keeps us all humble!!!
>
>Just Food for Thought...
>
>Take care,
>Kathy Yonkers
>Stuarthome CKCS
>USA
>
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