We are glad to have you with us on the List Bruce. Keep posting. I complain about the list sometimes and I get frustrated with how temperamental we can get at times, (especially me) but I have learned a tremendous amount of things from fellow listers. Myra
>From: Bruce Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:22:21 -0700 > >Thanks for the explanation Myra. I actually felt bad for posting this >after. >I posted after the first few responses came out, and after looking at the >web site it didn't look as bad as what I thought was being portrayed. But >some of my questions were actually answered as more posts came (after I had >sent mine but long before the email lag allowed mine to show up). I think >it >was actually one of your posts that mentioned her dogs didn't have kennel >names. That point had escaped my notice but once it was pointed out I >understood what everyone else had seen before me. Thanks for your kind >reply >and I look forward to learning more from everyone here. > >Bruce > >-----Original Message----- >From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Myra Savant >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:43 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > >Bruce, first off, I am sorry that I didn't welcome you to the list. I know >how it feels to be new to cavaliers and not feel welcomed. I have been >there. I can understand that you would be puzzled at the way all of us >have >banded together today against this woman and her web site. Give yourself a >few more years in the breed, and you'll be standing there shoulder to >shoulder with the rest of us. I promise. It is unethical in the extreme >to have pictures of dogs that neither belong to this woman nor were bred by >this woman on her web site. First off, those pictures may well be >copyrighted and she doesn't have the permission needed to exhibit them. >Secondly, it gives the impression to potential puppy buyers that these dogs >represent her breeding stock, or even ARE her breeding stock. Who wouldn't >want a dog as lovely as those on her site? However, they aren't hers, and >they don't represent hers. Second of all, it appears that she is >"rescuing" >dogs from puppy millers and then putting them to work for her. Lastly, >remember that your web site can say anything you want it to say. Saying >that there is a lengthy interview process, doesn't necessary mean anything. >Stealing pictures from another breeder and infering that they are your dogs >means everything. Myra Savant > > > >From: Bruce Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Curious > >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:24:01 -0700 > > > >Can someone explain what is to 'curious' about that site? I understand > >she doesn't have pictures of her dogs up, but I know I could easily go > >snatching Cavalier pictures off the net, but couldn't as easily go buy a > >digital camera and get pictures of my own dog up on the web. Since it > >doesn't seem to be a commercial site, I don't see the harm in promoting > >a breed she obviously loves. > > > >I might be missing tell-tale signs that everyone else seen many times, > >but a site that doesn't seem to promote always having puppies seems > >legitimate to me. I also think it is a good sign that you can't just > >'rescue' a dog from her without being warned of a interview/reference > >check. Those don't sound like the things I have heard about 'mills'. > > > >I am new to the list sometimes it seems like the people on here don't > >imitate the best quality of their dogs, welcoming new people, especially > >those who share a similar love. ( After introducing myself a couple of > >weeks ago not one person welcomed me or responded to me in any way) Of > >course, I joined the list to learn, so like I mentioned, maybe I am > >missing something you have all seen many times, and perhaps I can learn > >from what you see that I don't. > > > >Bruce > > > > > Sounds to me like she goes to the auctions, purchases their dogs >and > >is > > > starting her own little mill, using Cathy's dogs to make her site > >look > > good. > > > > > > It is strange that she manages to get pictures from other people's > >sites but > > that pictures of her own dogs are conspicuously absent. These >people > >have > > had a site for a couple of months--wonder when those pictures of >their > >own > > dogs will show up. > > > > Anyone in the UK recognize the names of their dogs? I sure don't! > > > > Maybe that person who helped them get their dogs is a broker. > > > > Laura Lang > > Roycroft Cavaliers > > > >========================================================= > >"Magic Commands": > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > >to start it up gain click here: > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > > >Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. 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