With all due respect, Phyllis. The letter to the judges did not address only the issue of free baiting. It also addressed the issue of trimming and alterating the dog. Up here where I live, the very worst of the exhibitors that are trimming, bleaching, bluing and dying their dogs are CKCSC members, NOT AKC only exhibitors. So.....yes, I would think it is high time for the old club to address what is obvious to many of us ringside. AND...it isn't the handlers up here who are walking into the ring with stark white dogs that almost glow. It is the owner/handlers. And, they are winning in both venues. Obviously, my opinions are formed by my own experiences. Also, my comment about breeding age was referring to dogs, not bitches. CKCSC has no rule about the appropriate breeding age of a dog. In fact, when you really think about it......what kind of a code of ethics is it that allows you to breed your one year old girl to your six month old boy? This is the code of ethics that I am supposed to be all proud of? Some of my girls haven't had their first season until they were over a year. Why do we all stand around and act like a code of ethics that protects a girl only until she is one year old, and protects a boy not at all is something fabulous? If CKCSC has been putting pressure on the AKC to inspect breeders facilities, why in the world haven't they been doing it themselves? Heaven knows, there are breeders in CKCSC who are registering over 100 puppies in a year. If inspection of the premises was so important to CKCSC, could they not have done it at some time during their long history? Also, the AKC is not simply inspecting puppy mills, they are coming to regular breeders....anyone who produces over 7 litters a year, inspecting records and doing DNA testing on every dog. Small breeders and puppy millers alike are being inspected. It isn't that I am sitting around bad mouthing CKCSC. It is more that I am tired of hearing all the pet owners discuss the evils of the AKC when they clearly are not aware of the facts of either club. Myra Savant
>From: Phyllis Lasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Voting Rights >Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 00:42:27 EST > >Myra, >I must admit I am extremely surprised and disturbed by the tone of your >response. I have respect for many of the opinions you have expressed in >the >past and for your stated goal and aspirations for the breed. I will assume >you have not thought out what you have said here, especially the issues in >which you compare the two clubs. I know you are aware of the fact that the >AKC is not a club. You have been using the AKC and the ACKSC >interchangeably >which they certainly are not. The AKC is a registering body...the ACKSC is >a >club. The AKC is a registering body that registers over 150 breeds of >dogs. >The ACKSC and the CKCSC work just with Cavaliers. Why should the CKCSC >educate judges that Cavaliers should be presented free baited when that is >the norm? It is in the AKC that there is a problem, perpetrated mainly by >professional handlers which as you know, are not allowed to show dogs in >the >CKCSC. It is the CKCSC that says that you must not breed a bitch before >one >year of age and she cannot have more than 6 litters and can have one back >to >back breeding and then must skip a year and must not bear a litter after >the >age of 8. The AKC can not stop a 6 month old bitch from having 20 >consecutive litters. Not being a member of the ACKSC I have not read their >rules but I assume they can not over-ride the AKC and therefore may have >suggestions but certainly can not make rules contrary to the registering >body >they represent. Why does the AKC make visits to breeders.....because of >the >pressure put upon them by breed clubs such as the ACKSC and the CKCSC to do >something about the puppy mill puppies they put their stamp of approval on. >I assume you are aware of the fact that the CKCSC has ethic hearing to deal >with unethical breeders and publishes the names of undesirables on their >website and in their literature. Numbers of dogs or numbers of litters do >not make a puppy mill. It is the quality of the care and the conditions in >which the dogs live that determine that. Some of our members with large >numbers of dogs are breeders who devote their lives to their dogs and >provide >them with exceptionally good lives. >Sorry Myra, this is one issue you obviously have not thought through >thoroughly. >Phyllis > > > > . Where did I hear health testing discussed the most? > > ACKCSC. Who has recently taken steps to educate judges as to how a >dog > > should be presented in the ring? ACKCSC. Which club has a limit on how >old > > a boy must be before he is bred? AKC Which code of ethics has the most > > strongly worded encouragement to health test your breeding animals? >ACKCSC > > in my opinion, although it is is certainly just a matter of opinion. >Which > > club makes visits to breeders premises? AKC Which club requires DNA > > testing on frequently used stud dogs? AKC Which club requires a >permanent > > form of identifying imports? AKC Which membership application quizzes >the > > applicant about what breeds of dogs they are breeding and have bred in >the > > past? ACKCSC Which membership application inquires about how many >litters > > you have produced in the past? ACKCSC And last but certainly not > > least.......which club is it that is inspecting puppy mills and fining >puppy > > millers? Certainly not the CKCSC. Myra > > > > > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
